WAR ROOM LOUNGE V15: Lunge

[Ripskater]

Any horses once upon a time?

I don't, but I've taken care of some as a side job.

 

[senri]

I don't, but I've taken care of some as a side job.

That's nice, are they your favorite animal?

 

[Gregolian]

Playing Battlefield with Jeremy Horn, now I'm jelly.

He's a big World of Warcraft... well.. nerd I guess. Every time he starts thinking about getting an X1 to play some Battlefield or Call of Duty a new WoW expansion comes out.

 

[Ripskater]

That's nice, are they your favorite animal?

No, I just did it to make some more money.

 

[senri]

No, I just did it to make some more money.

What animals do you most likely prefer to take care of, and what's your favorite task? I've always been curious of the caretakers methodical approach to doing what they do.

 

[Higus]

Interesting read on the origin of the term "Bleeding Heart Liberal"
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/origin-bleeding-heart-liberal

Westbrook Pegler was extremely good at calling people names. Particularly politicians. In his syndicated newspaper column, he called Franklin D. Roosevelt “Moosejaw” and “momma’s boy.” Truman was “a thin-lipped hater.”

Pegler was a bit of hater himself. He didn’t like the labor movement, Communists, fascists, Jews, and perhaps most of all, liberals. In one 1938 column, he coined a term for liberals that would eventually come to define conservative scorn for the left. Pegler was the first writer to refer to liberals as “bleeding hearts.” The context for this then-novel insult? A bill before Congress that aimed to curb lynching.

Before the 20th century, the phrase “bleeding heart” was popular in the religious-tinged oratory of 19th century America. Throughout the 1860s, it comes up often in poetry, essays, and political speeches, as an expression of empathy and emotion. “I come to you with a bleeding heart, honest and sincere motives, desiring to give you some plain thoughts,” said one politician in an 1862 speech. The phrase comes from the religious image of Christ’s wounded heart, which symbolizes his compassion and love. It was a common enough phrase that London has a “Bleeding Heart Yard” (featured prominently in the Dickens novel Little Dorrit) which is named after a long-gone sign, once displayed at a local pub, that showed the Sacred Heart.

By the 1930s, though, the phrase had fallen out of common use and Pegler, who one politician called a “soul-sick, mud-wallowing gutter scum columnist,” recruited it into a new context, as a political insult. He was a master of this art. As a contemporary of his wrote in an academic article on political name-calling, “Pegler has coined, or given prominence to, a fair share of unfair words.” (Pegler also called the AFL a “swollen national racket,” economics “a side-show science,” and Harold Ickes, who ran the Public Works Administration, “Donald Duck.”)

Pegler first used “bleeding heart” in a column castigating liberals in Washington for their focus on “a bill to provide penalties for lynchings.” Pegler wasn’t for lynchings, per se, but he argued that they were no longer a problem the federal government should solve: there had only been eight lynchings in 1937, he wrote, and “it is obvious that the evil is being cured by local processes.” The bill, he thought, was being “used as a political bait in crowded northern Negro centers.” And here was his conclusion, emphasis ours:

“I question the humanitarianism of any professional or semi-pro bleeding heart who clamors that not a single person must be allowed to hunger but would stall the entire legislative program in a fight to ham through a law intended, at the most optimistic figure, to save fourteen lives a year.”

Pegler was apparently pleased enough with this use of “bleeding heart” that he kept it up. He later wrote of “professional bleeding hearts” who advocated for “collective medicine” after a woman couldn’t find a doctor to help her through labor, and lobbed the insult of “bleeding heart Bourn” at a rival, left-leaning columnist. By 1940, he had condensed the phrase down to “bleeding-heart humanitarians” and “bleeding-heart liberals.”

Pegler’s usage did not immediately catch on, though. (Perhaps that’s because he went on to become so right-wing that he was asked to leave the John Birch Society.) (note: WTF LOL) If the New York Times’ archives is any indication, through the ‘40s and ‘50s, “bleeding heart” was most often used to refer to the flower Lamprocapnos spectabilis, which grows rows of pretty pink blossoms, and occasionally sports.

“Bleeding heart” was revived in a political context in 1954, by another infamous right-winger, Joe McCarthy, who called Edward R. Murrow one of the “extreme Left Wing bleeding-heart elements of television and radio.” It wasn’t until the 1960s that it really started to come into common use, though. In 1963, the satirical columnist Russell Baker put it on a list of political insults: “If one is called a ‘phoney,’ about the only thing he can do is come back with some epithet like, ‘anti-intellectual’ or ‘bleeding-heart liberal’…or ‘you must be one of those peace nuts.’” By the end of the decade, Ronald Reagan, then newly elected governor of California, had picked it up as a way to describe his political trajectory. “I was quite the bleeding-heart liberal once,” he told Newsweek. By 1970, he was known as a “former ‘bleeding heart’ Democrat.”

After that, the phrase was fully ensconced in political short-hand and quickly claimed by liberals as a positive trait. “You are called a bleeding heart liberal because you have a heart for the poor,” one told the Times. “Count me with the bleeding heart liberals,” an NAACP lawyer wrote in a letter to the editor.

On a side note, how predictable is it that someone named "Westbrook Pegler" turns out to be a racist asshole?
On a second side note, imagine being so insane that you get kicked out of the John Birch society? For those who don't know, the JBS was one of the first groups that started conspiracy theories against polio vaccines and fluoridated water.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He's a big World of Warcraft... well.. nerd I guess. Every time he starts thinking about getting an X1 to play some Battlefield or Call of Duty a new WoW expansion comes out.

You couldn't pay me to own an X1, what a horrible little machine it is. PC>every console other than the X1>X1

 

[Gregolian]

You couldn't pay me to own an X1, what a horrible little machine it is. PC>every console other than the X1>X1

I have a nice PC too but I don't have enough space where I live to have a good desktop PC set up.

SO, my tower is plugged into my TV but it's way easier to play console when all your friends have it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I have a nice PC too but I don't have enough space where I live to have a good desktop PC set up.

SO, my tower is plugged into my TV but it's way easier to play console when all your friends have it.

Get better friends who don't have shit taste then.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Interesting read on the origin of the term "Bleeding Heart Liberal"
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/origin-bleeding-heart-liberal


On a side note, how predictable is it that someone named "Westbrook Pegler" turns out to be a racist asshole?
On a second side note, imagine being so insane that you get kicked out of the John Birch society? For those who don't know, the JBS was one of the first groups that started conspiracy theories against polio vaccines and fluoridated water.

History!
Along somewhat similar lines to this, my school had an archival exhibit last year detailing right wing college campus organizations from the mid 1900s and it was highly fascinating to see essentially the exact same rhetoric being used now that was popular during the 60s. The whole "left wing professors are brainwashing students and radicals have taken over our colleges" thing is definitely not something new.

 

[Jack V Savage]

As in admitting to people irl that you post here and talking to them about it. Maybe its easier for me because none of my friends are really into MMA.

Maybe my best IRL friend told me about Sherdog. White belt with a 2001 join date. Former pro fighter (regional scene) and trainer (had one guy in the UFC). Then there was a guy who worked in my building who was a friend of my best work friend (he knew the guy to be a big MMA fan who would forward stuff from SD) who put us in touch. We were going to go to Anaheim for Fedor/Barnett. But that's the extent of my crossovers. I think. Might be forgetting something. Discussed meeting Da Speeit when I was in Vegas for Jones/DC I, but our schedules didn't line up.

 

[Gregolian]

Get better friends who don't have shit taste then.

My friends like Buffalo Trace, Johnnie Black, Glen 12, Highland 12, and elk meat so...

They have good taste they just spend there money on different thigns.

 

[Quipling]

I have a nice PC too but I don't have enough space where I live to have a good desktop PC set up.

SO, my tower is plugged into my TV but it's way easier to play console when all your friends have it.

I had a pretty weak setup for a while too. Basically a kb/m stand that would swing out.

I got a decent desk + chair a year or so ago and it's been great.

 

[Limbo Pete]

As in admitting to people irl that you post here and talking to them about it. Maybe its easier for me because none of my friends are really into MMA.

I've made a bunch of irl friends on here. Some i've met in person, some not.

 

[Higus]

History!
Along somewhat similar lines to this, my school had an archival exhibit last year detailing right wing college campus organizations from the mid 1900s and it was highly fascinating to see essentially the exact same rhetoric being used now that was popular during the 60s. The whole "left wing professors are brainwashing students and radicals have taken over our colleges" thing is definitely not something new.

That's incredible.
I once posted a longform article about the origins of campaign consultants. It's a great read if you have the time to go thru it.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/the-lie-factory
Amazingly enough, they were fighting dirty over health care reform even back then.

 

[Quipling]

Playing Battlefield with Jeremy Horn, now I'm jelly.

I have a friend I talk politics and religion with as well but I'd never think of inviting him on to the forum. If I read interesting shit here that I feel like conveying to him I'll be very vague about where I read it, like general references to comments sections or the internet.

There's a cock joke to be made here but its not coming to me.

Sounds like a performance problem.

I know what Greg plays, but what are your games of choice?

 

[Trotsky]

Only God.

So Johnny Mac is his friend in real life. And Smok3r is an internet friend who asked him to use his avatar. And Jim Bob and Jesus Freak are other internet friends who took it upon themselves to copy his posting style?

Either this is bullshit or there is an entire culture of losers on the internet getting together to trigger the libs because they apparently have nothing better to do: and should all be IP banned as an act of mercy.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Sounds like a performance problem.

I know what Greg plays, but what are your games of choice?

In terms of online multiplayer games I like Overwatch though I haven't played it in a bit. I've put in a lot of hours into Civ 5 though I also haven't played it in a while.

Recently I've been playing The Forest which has been a lot of fun. I like playing fighting games as well like Dead or Alive, Soul Calibur, or the Super Smash series. You can get a lot of hours out of those games.

 

[Fawlty]

So Johnny Mac is his friend in real life. And Smok3r is an internet friend who asked him to use his avatar. And Jim Bob and Jesus Freak are other internet friends who took it upon themselves to copy his posting style?

Either this is bullshit or there is an entire culture of losers on the internet getting together to trigger the libs because they apparently have nothing better to do: and should all be IP banned as an act of mercy.

Of course it's bullshit lol, it's sponsored.

 

[Limbo Pete]

That's incredible.
I once posted a longform article about the origins of campaign consultants. It's a great read if you have the time to go thru it.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/the-lie-factory
Amazingly enough, they were fighting dirty over health care reform even back then.

I still have a bunch of document pics somewhere, if you're interested. I could shoot you a pm.