War Room Lounge v145: I never played it. Is it basically grand theft horsey?

[BEER]

And true. Addicts use tragedy to excuse an addiction they've always had, and it's pathetic.

And yet, slinging constant personal attacks at a dude you don't know, on the internet, is dignified.

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[Trotsky]

@Fawlty Elizabeth Not to trivialize what you're going through, but if you do have COVID and you die from it? That will make you a big deal in the War Room. Whenever anyone talks about or minimizes coronavirus, it can be brought up that a longtime forum regular died from it. And it will also present juicy ban-bait for shit posters who say "well, at least it offed Fawlty," etc. I'm also sure that it would cause a bunch of denialists about the virus to say that you were morbidly obese, a drug addict, etc. But that just comes with the territory.

Just sayin'. If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis as you wade toward that white light, internet immortality is something to be considered.

 

[tonni]

FTR, I was sympathetic to your posts, but you lost me here. The idea that BEER (or anyone) is posting in defense of adult film actresses because they're trying to attract sexual favors from nonexistent female readers is just stupid. And the idea that that sort of advocacy is a symptom of being an incel is even stupider considering what the public knows about incel ideology: that it's extremely misogynistic and that it blames women for the sexual frustrations of sexually unsuccessful men.

I mean....think of sexually unsuccessful men that you've met in real life. Have any of them dealt with that by being invested in women's rights and issues? In my experience, the answer is a resounding "hell no."

Any semblance of empathy with women is a sign of cuckoldry.

 

[tonni]

And true. Addicts use tragedy to excuse an addiction they've always had, and it's pathetic.

If he is using it as an excuse, what’s being an asshole about it going to help? You just needed to be rude to an addict today?

 

[HereticBD]

FTR, I was sympathetic to your posts, but you lost me here. The idea that BEER (or anyone) is posting in defense of adult film actresses because they're trying to attract sexual favors from nonexistent female readers is just stupid. And the idea that that sort of advocacy is a symptom of being an incel is even stupider considering what the public knows about incel ideology: that it's extremely misogynistic and that it blames women for the sexual frustrations of sexually unsuccessful men.

That's a bunch of bullshit. Perhaps the media's definition of an "incel", and the "movement" itself is rather angry and aggressive, but they come in all forms. If you think those "male feminists" aren't merely incels who haven't gone crazy militant about it, you're fooling yourself.

I mean....think of sexually unsuccessful men that you've met in real life. Have any of them dealt with that by being invested in women's rights and issues? In my experience, the answer is a resounding "hell no."

My answer is, "a bit from column A, and a bit from column B". I've met quite a few "male feminists". None of them had wives or girlfriends, and at best were "friends" with chicks they wish they were banging.

 

[HereticBD]

If he is using it as an excuse, what’s being an asshole about it going to help?

What am I, his psychologist? I have no obligation to "help" him, nor do I care to.

 

[BEER]

That's a bunch of bullshit. Perhaps the media's definition of an "incel", and the "movement" itself is rather angry and aggressive, but they come in all forms. If you think those "male feminists" aren't merely incels who haven't gone crazy militant about it, you're fooling yourself.

My answer is, "a bit from column A, and a bit from column B". I've met quite a few "male feminists". None of them had wives or girlfriends, and at best were "friends" with chicks they wish they were banging.

I'm not a "male feminist". I've been on record talking about how pathetic those dudes are here pretty consistently.

Jesus, you pay attention enough to be very aware of my posting about mental illness and weight and drinking. Even seen my pictures, but you've never seen me make fun of "male feminists"?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Really tasteless ending to episode 4 of the Golden state killer doc on hbo

 

[tonni]

What am I, his psychologist? I have no obligation to "help" him, nor do I care to.

You’re an adult. It’s not necessarily about helping, it’s more about acting responsibly. You’re one bratty full grown man.

 

[HereticBD]

You’re an adult. It’s not necessarily about helping, it’s more about acting responsibly.

I'm not the drunk.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

And Perry mason (hbo)and the new penny dreadful (showtime) series... I should have been a writer, but I thought you needed talent, who knew?

 

[BEER]

You’re an adult. It’s not necessarily about helping, it’s more about acting responsibly. You’re one bratty full grown man.

It's weird.

I may have argued with Heretic on occasion, but I only remember him because I mistook him for TCK once.

And suddenly he shifted an entire conversation about whether or not women in porn are subhuman to me not being a perfect person, apparently.

Strange behavior.

 

[tonni]

It's weird.

I may have argued with Heretic on occasion, but I only remember him because I mistook him for TCK once.

And suddenly he shifted an entire conversation about whether or not women in porn are subhuman to me not being a perfect person, apparently.

Strange behavior.

It’s a form of sadism, it says more about him than about you. The addict is behaving more decently than the sober guy.

 

[Wet Blanket]

I'm not a "male feminist". I've been on record talking about how pathetic those dudes are here pretty consistently.

Jesus, you pay attention enough to be very aware of my posting about mental illness and weight and drinking. Even seen my pictures, but you've never seen me make fun of "male feminists"?

Male feminist?

It's just feminist, regardless of gender.

And what's pathetic about being a feminist?

 

[Sycho Sid]

It's weird.

I may have argued with Heretic on occasion, but I only remember him because I mistook him for TCK once.

And suddenly he shifted an entire conversation about whether or not women in porn are subhuman to me not being a perfect person, apparently.

Strange behavior.

Always knew he was a shitty poster, but did not realize how shitty a person he was until recently.

 

[HereticBD]

And Perry mason (hbo)and the new penny dreadful (showtime) series... I should have been a writer, but I thought you needed talent, who knew?

I expected the "Penny Dreadful" spin off to be a little weak since the original wasn't exactly stellar, but Perry Mason too huh? That's a shame.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

@Fawlty Elizabeth Not to trivialize what you're going through, but if you do have COVID and you die from it? That will make you a big deal in the War Room. Whenever anyone talks about or minimizes coronavirus, it can be brought up that a longtime forum regular died from it. And it will also present juicy ban-bait for shit posters who say "well, at least it offed Fawlty," etc. I'm also sure that it would cause a bunch of denialists about the virus to say that you were morbidly obese, a drug addict, etc. But that just comes with the territory.

Just sayin'. If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis as you wade toward that white light, internet immortality is something to be considered.

 

[Trotsky]

Any semblance of empathy with women is a sign of cuckoldry.

That's always been funny too. There are a few contradictions in this type of thinking (I know you're being facetious, but I'll use this as a chance to opine).

First, about cuckoldry and advocacy for women. Can anyone even imagine a guy whose been cuckolded or whose been treated badly by a woman using that as a segue to being a feminist? Of course not.

Second, the origins (that I know of, at least) of the "cuckold" insult: opposition to immigration. The argument is that men who support immigration are fine with black and brown studs coming in and sexing up their women. But who exactly would be incentivized to focus on that paranoia? Certainly not a man who has success with women and is confident in his ability to navigate a sexual marketplace in which there are more options for women. The person who would be obviously incentivized to worry about that is a man who isn't successful with women, or who feels that his status with women is particularly precarious, and worries that an influx of new dongs will be the death knell for his prospects in the marketplace.

That's a bunch of bullshit. Perhaps the media's definition of an "incel", and the "movement" itself is rather angry and aggressive, but they come in all forms. If you think those "male feminists" aren't merely incels who haven't gone crazy militant about it, you're fooling yourself.

Uhh, I am a male feminist by all rational definitions. And, while you are free to believe this or not, I have a very robust and successful romantic history. Frankly, it's one of the few aspects of my life that I can really be proud of imo. But, pertinent to this conversation, when I was younger and not as romantically successful in high school - I dated pretty girls but I went through that young teenage boy phase of being focused on, and cynical about peoples' capacity for, fidelity - I was much more conservative on the issue of feminism.

I don't think my becoming romantically successful and becoming more liberal on women's issues are related for me, but the correlation definitely conflicts with your narrative.

But could you please elaborate on why you think male feminists on one side of the spectrum merely differ from incels at the other pole who think the opposite about those issues because they....haven't radicalized? So you think that BEER is one failed date away from reversing his positions away from empathy and compassion and to self-loathing and blaming others?

 

[tonni]

Uhh, I am a male feminist by all rational definitions. And, while you are free to believe this or not, I have a very robust and successful romantic history.

 

[BEER]

It’s a form of sadism, it says more about him than about you. The addict is behaving more decently than the sober guy.

I don't know if he thinks he's being witty or what. His insults are things I'm open about on this forum. I don't know if he thinks he's hurting my feelings, but jeez, if you're going to insult me, please do a better job.

Male feminist?

It's just feminist, regardless of gender.

And what's pathetic about being a feminist?

"Male feminist" is a very specific stereotype. Basically just the "nice guy" trope coopting the term to legitimize their creepy behavior toward women.

Always knew he was a shitty poster, but did not realize how shitty a person he was until recently.

I'm only finding out tonight. Is what it is. Life goes on.