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The Diplomat said:
And nothing gets done because there is no structure, order or hierarchy to keep the ball spinning. Incentive and the means to rise higher are always virtuous thoughts in the mind of a human being.
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You're missing the fundamental tenet of Marxism that resolves, or at least purports to resolve, that criticism: the intrinsic value of production for a producing person. Also, even setting that aside, it's just silly to think that productivity relies solely on out-earning or out-ranking others. Incentives to produce and thereby increase both the value you create and the value you acquire can still be internalized by workers individually and collectively and can be institutionalized by democratic leadership. Less theoretically, workers will elect capable leadership that increases the value that the group creates and that the members therefore acquire, rather than elect leadership that allows them to slouch into un-productivity.
 
Ruprecht said:
Accidentally pepper sprayed myself for breakfast.
Don't recommend it.
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Hiking trip in Montana with college friends. One brought along bear mace. It went off in his pocket, right into his nuts. Funniest thing I've ever witnessed but wow did I feel bad for him. Stuck his junk into a snowbanke until we were worried he replaced the mace burn with frostbite on his tender bits.
 
had my cheat meal for the week.

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couldn't finish the last of the chicken. the dog unselfishly came through again and ate it so it didn't go to waste. team player.
 
@weed since we were talkin Hunto, it should be mentioned that his boxing match with Paul Gallen is confirmed

And man am I pumped
 
Bullitt68 said:
They are? By whom? Certainly not by other academics, trust me. "Actual Marxist/very left academics" describes my colleagues. Granted, I'm a film scholar and I try not to wade into political waters unless I have to (if e.g. I'm teaching a broader media studies class) - I care more about what my colleagues' favorite movies and TV shows are than who they vote for - but I at least want to clarify that academia is in no way, shape, or form resistant to "actual Marxist/very left academics" because academia today is almost entirely comprised of "actual Marxist/very left academics."
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Sure, certain disciplines of academia (humanities and social sciences) have a lot of people who are very left in their personal politics, but I meant that scholars of Marxism or who take an overly critical look in their work aren't exactly welcome everywhere.

You're likely not to even get an interview if you send a CV with a bunch of very critical stuff. I was in sociology which is obviously uber left but even there, just about all the tenure-track positions out in the roughly 2 years I was looking involved areas that aren't known for being very political, period: health, methods, demography, aging, family. Positions in areas like inequality, stratification and race were far less frequent.

And to give a real-life example, Norman Finkelstein is a brilliant scholar on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and he was basically driven out of academia for creating work that was too critical of Israel and the US (and also for fucking with Alan Dershowitz).
 
Possum Jenkins said:
That's because the idea of a society where there are no classes, no one is your boss, and everyone in your community is taken care for is very appealing to a ton of people. So much so that vast, popular, social movements in every part of the world have taken hold with this end in mind.
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Harry Potter is popular too. That doesn't mean Quidditch makes sense.
 
I just got stung , I knelt down in a patch of clover and bam , it was my fault really , if you know bee's then you know they love clover like @HereticBD loves Trump, it was bound to end badly
 
The Diplomat said:
And nothing gets done because there is no structure, order or hierarchy to keep the ball spinning. Incentive and the means to rise higher are always virtuous thoughts in the mind of a human being.
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Incorrect.

The USSR went from miserable backwater to world superpower in a few decades. Cuba has some of the highest health and education levels in all of Latin America (despite the US's economic attacks over the past 60 years), anarchist Catalonia worked out reasonably well in the short time it existed before it was destroyed.

In a capitalist society, the incentive is material gain and the constant accumulation of commodities. In a more humane one, the incentive is the satisfaction of improving society and helping out others.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
Had to look those up (because like 99.9% of people, I'd never heard of them) and, surprise, surprise, at least the Popes and Royals are mostly multiracial, and when they started, they began by two "white ethnic" groups: Irish and Greeks. Also, if they're flying out to Hawaii to set up prostitution and drug operations, then they're squarely in organized crime territory, and not a street gang.

This isn't chemistry or physics where a group HAS to have certain qualities and these are neatly organized, but the general trend is pretty clear: the vast majority of street gangs are a product of big cities, poverty, ethnic/racial marginalization.

@Falsedawn
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Yeah most street gangs now are multiracial in the aggregate to some degree besides prison gangs. Like how you have white sets of the Bloods. USO was the biggest Samoan gang around but then they allowed Polynesians (except Tongans) and now I’ve come across Filipino and white USOs too.

The Popes and Royals are primarily white gangs, like USO are a primarily Samoan gang, but they all accept some members of other races. The only Royals I encountered were white, but I’m sure if they built a foothold here they would start recruiting Polynesian or Asian members. I would guess any gang with strict race requirements would be a racist gang like the many, many, skinhead or peckerwood white gangs.

If the Popes and Royals are organized crime and not street gangs then so are the Crips and Bloods who are way bigger with more chapters. They also both have a small presence out here, although mostly in small Polynesian sets from CA that haven’t gotten a big foothold. But in my field they are all considered street gangs because the structure is loose enough.
 
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