War Room Lounge v139: Trump has an IQ of at least 140 because he went to Wharton

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I don't think tolerance works, or anything like "sunshine is the best disinfectant." Since we've seen euphemistic racism die in a Trumpian dumpster, and more overt racism emerge, we've become more divided racially. A lesson we have to keep re-learning. Overt racism < dog whistling < secret racism. Let's make America dog whistle again.
Dog whistling is fine, call racists out for what they are. Maybe if Biden picks a fresh VP and can beat Trump and let the adults take over, alot of this craziness will settle down.....maybe.
 
Might be so, but it seems like they already are. Nobody wants an echo chamber, this forum is actually more 2 sided than almost any other place I've been to. But nobody wants blatant racism either. In a perfect world, perpetual dubs and constant shame should work, but yeah, sponsors and what not.
It would chase a way a lot of decent people. Me personally, I wouldn't want to be confronted with 8chan level racism daily.
 
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But we're also pretending that racism will just go away if everyone is banned. That won't happen.
 
Dog whistling is fine, call racists out for what they are. Maybe if Biden picks a fresh VP and can beat Trump and let the adults take over, alot of this craziness will settle down.....maybe.
I think a Trump loss would be better for race relations than anything, yeah.
 
It would chase a way a lot of decent people. Me personally, I wouldn't want to be confronted with 8chan level racism daily.
The ignore function works in that regard.

I agree though, I'd like to have a racist free zone. But...I'd also like to know where everyone stands, as well.
 
I don't think tolerance works, or anything like "sunshine is the best disinfectant." Since we've seen euphemistic racism die in a Trumpian dumpster, and more overt racism emerge, we've become more divided racially. A lesson we have to keep re-learning. Overt racism < dog whistling < secret racism. Let's make America dog whistle again.

I'm not clear headed enough to articulate it, but I think it's cyclical. Burying racism creates that "silent majority" that helped get Trump elected. Having that absurdly emboldened group in the light may very well help get him out of office. Those who were "silent" before will go back underground until another figure rises to embolden them.
 
I think a Trump loss would be better for race relations than anything, yeah.
I think it'd be better as a *visual* for race relations. Just because Trump became president, didn't automatically make everyone racist again. It just empowered them. Once he loses and things go back to normal, it doesn't mean they magically become non racist.
 
But we're also pretending that racism will just go away if everyone is banned. That won't happen.
I'm not pretending that at all, it just makes the forum better readable and presentable. Unmoderated forums are just impossible to have a decent/fun conversation in.
 
I'm not clear headed enough to articulate it, but I think it's cyclical. Burying racism creates that "silent majority" that helped get Trump elected. Having that absurdly emboldened group in the light may very well help get him out of office. Those who were "silent" before will go back underground until another figure rises to embolden them.
Exactly. There is always a reactionary effect to these things. Some people, the simple ones, who weren't even really racist are becoming racist because they feel like they're put in a "bad guy vs good guy" mold. Any time antagonism is used, reactionaries grow. And the issue, like you said, becomes cyclical.
 
I'm not clear headed enough to articulate it, but I think it's cyclical. Burying racism creates that "silent majority" that helped get Trump elected. Having that absurdly emboldened group in the light may very well help get him out of office. Those who were "silent" before will go back underground until another figure rises to embolden them.
It could be cyclical due to progressive, conservative-terrifying events like electing a black Democrat president. That was going way too far in the minds of many, despite being an inevitable development. Hopefully just a one-off though.
 
I'm not pretending that at all, it just makes the forum better readable and presentable. Unmoderated forums are just impossible to have a decent/fun conversation in.
I prefer the case by case basis that happens here. And I certainly prefer the non partisan approach to it as opposed to other forums. It could be better but they only have so many moderators, and to be fair this place is no where near as bad as others. I will say that since the covid and BLM/rioting/censoring the past stuff, you're going to get more individuals who aren't as nuanced as the regulars.
 
It could be cyclical due to progressive, conservative-terrifying events like electing a black Democrat president. That was going way too far in the minds of many, despite being an inevitable development. Hopefully just a one-off though.
I still think that if there was someone other than a polarizing individual such as Hillary, that Trump would have lost and all of these conversations and reactions would be moot.
 
I think it'd be better as a *visual* for race relations. Just because Trump became president, didn't automatically make everyone racist again. It just empowered them. Once he loses and things go back to normal, it doesn't mean they magically become non racist.
Looking at each event in a vacuum makes it seem that way, but the long-term snuffing, stifling, de-normalizing, shaming, and defeating of systemic racism and its proponents is the way it gets defeated. Even Joe Biden was long-termed shamed and re-educated out of his racist politicking (as was Hillary Clinton), and at a pretty advanced age.
 
I still think that if there was someone other than a polarizing individual such as Hillary, that Trump would have lost and all of these conversations and reactions would be moot.
I agree that history can be that knife-edged, yeah.
 
Might be so, but it seems like they already are. Nobody wants an echo chamber, this forum is actually more 2 sided than almost any other place I've been to. But nobody wants blatant racism either. In a perfect world, perpetual dubs and constant shame should work, but yeah, sponsors and what not.

The thing is, racists seem to drive everyone else away. So if you let it go, you just end up with a racist forum.
 
Looking at each event in a vacuum makes it seem that way, but the long-term snuffing, stifling, de-normalizing, shaming, and defeating of systemic racism and its proponents is the way it gets defeated. Even Joe Biden was long-termed shamed and re-educated out of his racist politicking (as was Hillary Clinton), and at a pretty advanced age.
Biden still says some pretty racist stuff, to be fair :p Lets be honest, all of these old rich white people who have played the game and gotten to the top over 40+ years, aren't exactly sympathetic to the hood. They're just saying whatever their advisors think sounds good.

I actually really liked the Biden interview from one of the first CBS Colbert shows. It was recently after his son died, and the whole country mourned for him and he had a lot of sympathy points. He had so much clarity. Colbert asked him what he thought about some of the issues we were facing, and Joe said "You know, I still think America is the greatest country on the planet. We are, we are so lucky, it isn't funny. But the problem is that we have it so lucky, that we tend to get in *our own ways* sometimes, so we need to make it tough on ourselves."

That was extremely poignant, and true. I want more of that.
 
It could be cyclical due to progressive, conservative-terrifying events like electing a black Democrat president. That was going way too far in the minds of many, despite being an inevitable development. Hopefully just a one-off though.

More than Obama just being president, I think it was him getting pretty handily reelected despite losing the white vote pretty badly that really caused the freakout. And on top of that, you had the GOP leadership concluding, "well, shit, looks like we gotta start trying to convince minorities to vote for us." A lot of the base was like, "Fuck. That."
 
The thing is, racists seem to drive everyone else away. So if you let it go, you just end up with a racist forum.
I'd hope that isn't true. This place doesn't seem too racist, but maybe I don't look in enough threads, and the only conservatives I actually like (@Sketch, @HereticBD , etc.) aren't racist pieces of shit, just a bit trollish...


then again, they're canadian, so that might explain something. Their conservative is like our moderate.
 
More than Obama just being president, I think it was him getting pretty handily reelected despite losing the white vote pretty badly that really caused the freakout. And on top of that, you had the GOP leadership concluding, "well, shit, looks like we gotta start trying to convince minorities to vote for us." A lot of the base was like, "Fuck. That."
Could be. I also think there was great offense taken at black people doing better and feeling better in this country and threatening the hierarchy, possibly even becoming generally suitable for marriage with their daughters. In other words, cutting to the chase, the gene pool. The deep racism. The stuff that individuals aren't really in conscious control of on any short timescale. Maybe that's giving us a pass, but it's only human.
 
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