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War Room Lounge v139: Trump has an IQ of at least 140 because he went to Wharton

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What we've learned about the armed couple from St. Louis that brandished guns at protesters:

1. They lied about protesters entering by breaking down the gate
2. They lies about protesters entering their yard and initiating the confrontation
3. They publicly opposed allowing cohabitation in their rich neighborhood, effectively creating a restrictive covenant against gay couples
4. They allegedly advertised for a nanny and listed opposition to "black culture" as one of the requirements for raising their daughter
5. They're very wealthy yet tried to start a GoFundMe to profit off their notoriety
6. The husband has pulled a gun on someone before: a person in his neighborhood that crossed over neighborhood property that the couple argues is their own

Pretty unsurprising that these pieces of shit are now the mascots for the American right.
 
Someone recommended a Dinner with Andre to me. I contemplated breaking his legs while watching it.

It would’ve been better as a musical I guess.

I've been meaning to see that for a long time, actually. I like Wallace Shawn. He's a socialist by the way.
 
Personally, I think that cheapens it even more. When you add movie-like camera shots, and cuts to what is clearly a play, it only accentuates the point that it's not a movie, and it can get a little cringey. Like you're watching an extremely cheap movie. If you're gonna show me a play on screen, I'd rather it just be a bare bones one shot, like I was in the audience, rather than try to make it something it isn't.

Those two worlds shouldn't collide, IMO. They're totally different experiences.

I wonder if VR would work
 
For future reference, you should hyphenate the phrase. "People-murdering-machines" wouldn't have been confusing. In fact, using either "gun" or "firearm" would be more effective but I understand that you're trying to evoke your idea with raw emotion.

Guns (or "people-murdering-machines") are used far more often for target shooting and hunting than they are used to commit murder.

That's just a cold hard fact. The vast VAST majority of gun owners will never fire their weapon at another human being. Also a fact.

So, the issue comes down to the "potential" to kill, or in your argument, the specific design to be able to kill.

I don't know what to tell you in that regard. I'm not comfortable with the police or state or federal government tracking my personal purchases. Gun crimes have been declining for nearly 30 years, despite gun ownership skyrocketing. There is no correlation between ownership and violent crime that I have seen.
There is a need to acknowledge that guns are primarily for murdering people, again setting aside hunting. It is not relevant that they are not mostly used in murders. That argument reduces to absurdity when you consider that by the same reasoning, nuclear weapons are for making people nervous, fire extinguishers are wall decorations, and rape whistles are just unattractive necklaces. The very reason to be is the killing bit. A "reason to be" is a stronger statement than something happening to have a certain potential. Not just the "specific design to be able to kill," but in fact they're precisely for killing people.

One of the most morally perfect statements we can make concerning guns is that we have a right to know who is shooting and killing people. The only way to do that to a reasonable degree is to account for guns. It's unassailable. So that has to be accepted when we argue this. It shouldn't be ignored, and it can't be rationalized away, only justified.

As you can imagine, I'm very familiar with the lines of justification. You mentioned a couple, one of which is that you're nervous about our surveillance of each other via the executive arm of the democratic government. The other that *certain forms* (I had to add this part) of gun ownership are not correlated with violent crime, which I reject pretty quickly because first of all, literally every gun-adjacent crime is correlated perfectly with gun ownership, and second, because essentially every illicitly-possessed gun used to be in the god-fearing hands of a "perfectly responsible law-abiding citizen." We've got lots of those. America is just lousy with them.

I have a complicated relationship with the morality of guns and I see it from a lot of viewpoints. I can't even say where I stand on the issue because that depends on what is being emphasized. Even if I'm just looking at it from the perspective of three things: personal feelings, game theory, and societal outlook, each produce wildly different positions and are not always internally consistent. That's without getting into the Constitution at all, which is its own ball of worms.

Considering all that, it would be very dishonest of me to dismiss the moral goodness of the position that we should be able to know who is doing the shooting and where the guns came from. Another thing to reject at our own peril is the argument from pacifism. Those are valuable points of view that must be a part of a pro-gun position. The supercession of that moral good must be accounted for, rather than foolishly dismissed.
 
I've been meaning to see that for a long time, actually. I like Wallace Shawn. He's a socialist by the way.
Do you like to watch a movie that has an idea but no plots? You know how there’s often philosophy or meaning infused in a movie, and the story takes you through these ideas etc? This film is two middle aged smug dudes talking about “deep” shit without anything actually happening. I couldn’t watch it, it’s probably literally the most dreadful movie I’ve ever suffered.

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Ever watch a Live Stream on Youtube, and wonder what the hell the purpose of the live comments are? It just scrolls and scrolls. There's no point. The bigger mystery is the vast number of people posting, thinking that their comments will be valued on any level. I get Twitter. I get Facebook. I get Forums. I do not get Live Stream comment sections.

I do occasionally pick up something truly crazy, as it speeds past my eyes. I will then try to find that comment and realize most of the comments are pure gibberish. Bots or crazy people shouting into the void.
 
I wonder if VR would work

It would.

Once they finally figure out VR, it's gonna be the most groundbreaking piece of technology ever invented. It's the next step in just about everything, other than basic human needs like eating and shitting. When that really pops off, god help us all. We're gonna be pods. That's no joke either. Those movie scenes where people are just staring into a visor, is a very real future. A near future, too.
 
The Russell Crowe Les Miserables was easily one of the most disappointing films of all-time for me and it boggles my mind that anyone liked it.

I mean....how the fuck did they think that every single word could be sung without either making the film overly long or the plot overly rushed. I thought the experience of watching that movie was torturous on account of the fact that even rudimentary conversations took forever because they had to be sang.
I thought it was great.
 
What we've learned about the armed couple from St. Louis that brandished guns at protesters:

1. They lied about protesters entering by breaking down the gate
2. They lies about protesters entering their yard and initiating the confrontation
3. They publicly opposed allowing cohabitation in their rich neighborhood, effectively creating a restrictive covenant against gay couples
4. They allegedly advertised for a nanny and listed opposition to "black culture" as one of the requirements for raising their daughter
5. They're very wealthy yet tried to start a GoFundMe to profit off their notoriety
6. The husband has pulled a gun on someone before: a person in his neighborhood that crossed over neighborhood property that the couple argues is their own

Pretty unsurprising that these pieces of shit are now the mascots for the American right.
This couple?

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Ever watch a Live Stream on Youtube, and wonder what the hell the purpose of the live comments are? It just scrolls and scrolls. There's no point. The bigger mystery is the vast number of people posting, thinking that their comments will be valued on any level. I get Twitter. I get Facebook. I get Forums. I do not get Live Stream comment sections.
They’re hoping to get read out loud by the streamer, I assume. Some just want to stir some problems...
 
It would.

Once they finally figure out VR, it's gonna be the most groundbreaking piece of technology ever invented. It's the next step in just about everything, other than basic human needs like eating and shitting. When that really pops off, god help us all. We're gonna be pods. That's no joke either. Those movie scenes where people are just staring into a visor, is a very real future. A near future, too.

i have ps4 VR; its amazing/ okay, but not quite there yet. I agree when VR is perfected, it may our salvation or our end; or somewhere in-between; but we will definitely be pods.
 
It would.

Once they finally figure out VR, it's gonna be the most groundbreaking piece of technology ever invented. It's the next step in just about everything, other than basic human needs like eating and shitting. When that really pops off, god help us all. We're gonna be pods. That's no joke either. Those movie scenes where people are just staring into a visor, is a very real future. A near future, too.

Some people are finally going to get to kick my ass in VR once it's a better tech.
 
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