War Room Lounge v135: Accidental Meme Thread Click

[Rational Poster]

“Ended” is a bit....... eeeeeehhhhh for me. Given how long “Share cropping” was around which is basically slavery without buying and selling of humans.

I don't disagree, just pointing out the bullshit.

 

[Captain Davis]

The north fought to preserve the Union because the south seceded to preserve slavery. It's pretty simple.

Also, you're also wrong about the states not freeing slaves till the 13th amendment. Only Kentucky and Delaware waited that long. All the other border states ended slavery before the amendment and before the war was over.

Why did the South secede to preserve slavery? Slavery where it existed was not threatened. All the South had to do was agree to the Corwin Amendment and slavery where it existed would have been untouchable by constitutional amendment. Also, by seceding, the South gave up their constitutional right to the territories. How did secession protect what was never in question? They lost more rights by secession. There was no longer fugitive slave law and they lost their right to the territories. They lost more than they gained in protection of slavery.

you are caught up in the good v bad smokescreen. You want to believe that the United States would only declare war for virtuous reasons. That’s just not the case.

staying in the Union meant millions lost by the South. Secession meant millions lost by the North.

it’s very simple, follow the money.

 

[Sara]

“Ended” is a bit....... eeeeeehhhhh for me. Given how long “Share cropping” was around which is basically slavery without buying and selling of humans.

Honestly even what people pay, say a baby sitter or housekeeper if they do not go through angecies.

 

[Rational Poster]

Why did the South secede to preserve slavery? Slavery where it existed was not threatened. All the South had to do was agree to the Corwin Amendment and slavery where it existed would have been untouchable by constitutional amendment. Also, by seceding, the South gave up their constitutional right to the territories. How did secession protect what was never in question? They lost more rights by secession. There was no longer fugitive slave law and they lost their right to the territories. They lost more than they gained in protection of slavery.

you are caught up in the good v bad smokescreen. You want to believe that the United States would only declare war for virtuous reasons. That’s just not the case.

staying in the Union meant millions lost by the South. Secession meant millions lost by the North.

it’s very simple, follow the money.

Good job trying to side step the obvious bullshit I just caught you in and pivot to things entirely unrelated.

LOL at the fugitive slave laws. That was one of the Confederate's big complaints leading to secession.

Seems like the Confederates were just the same as today's conservatives. Only concerned with state's rights when it suits them.

 

[Captain Davis]

The north fought to preserve the Union because the south seceded to preserve slavery. It's pretty simple.

Also, you're also wrong about the states not freeing slaves till the 13th amendment. Only Kentucky and Delaware waited that long. All the other border states ended slavery before the amendment and before the war was over.

By the way, in 1808 when the North abolished slavery, wouldn’t an abolitionist society free their slaves and incorporate them onto their society?

nah, the North sold their slaves to the South. They profited from Northern emancipation. Meanwhile, abolitionists in 1860 were touting uncompensated emancipation for the South.

if Lincoln and the Republicans were serious about abolition, they would have worked out a compensated emancipation plan like they rest of the world did.

 

[Rational Poster]

This is a good point. The Confederacy only lasted 5 years, so there was never really any point in those statues being erected.

Especially when you consider the overwhelming majority weren't erected by Confederates for the Confederacy. They were erected by racists groups like the actual KKK to intimidate African Americans during the segregation and Jim Crow eras.

 

[Captain Davis]

Good job trying to side step the obvious bullshit I just caught you in and pivot to things entirely unrelated.

LOL at the fugitive slave laws. That was one of the Confederate's big complaints leading to secession.

Seems like the Confederates were just the same as today's conservatives. Only concerned with state's rights when it suits them.

How is it I related? Of any of those states freed their slaves prior to the wars end, it was not because Lincoln made them. If the war was over slaves, would that not have been a condition of staying in the Union?

 

[Captain Davis]

Especially when you consider the overwhelming majority weren't erected by Confederates for the Confederacy. They were erected by racists groups like the actual KKK to intimidate African Americans during the segregation and Jim Crow eras.

You mean those eras where the Confederacy didn’t exist? You mean when the United States could have used it’s federal authority to stop it?

 

[LMP]

@Lowmanproblems Missouri amirite?

https://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsb...ght-on-video-threatening-couple-with-violence

Missouri hicks love it when the police step on their necks.

 

[Andy Capp]

I would strongly suggest that you are falling into the weak man fallacy which Jack mentioned. It's easy to find idiot conservatives. It's also easy to find idiot liberals. There are no points to be scored dunking on halfwits.

Is that the same thing as dishing out the pwnage so completely you hope they'll shut the fuck up?

 

[Andy Capp]

Yeah but she's reading right to left. Do you read right to left? No? That's what I thought.

ANIME!

That's one reason I wish I had been raised in Japan. Due to being left handed I presume, I have a strong tendency to read magazines and other hard copy from back to front.

 

[Higus]

The belief of independence from an oppressive central government. Lincoln or anyone outside of the 3% of abolitionists in the North cared Anything about slavery. Unless it was in their backyard. The truth is that the Northerners and people moving into the territories did not want blacks around at all, free or slave. The North also profited greatly from slavery. Lincoln never threatened slavery where it existed. The Republican platform never called to end slavery, it only opposed slavery moving into the territories. The Republican mantra was to reserve the territories for white settlers only.

I really don’t see how that’s a meaningful distinction.

 

[BarryDillon]

During that time the North was every bit as racist as the South,

<puh-lease75>

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

@Lowmanproblems Missouri amirite?

https://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsb...ght-on-video-threatening-couple-with-violence

He should not be a police officer period .

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

<puh-lease75>

And he was a mod lol

 

[Trotsky]

And he was a mod lol

I never saw him abuse his authority like RR or Mick. Got a little nutty toward BarryDillon, but that's it.

 

[My Spot]

And he was a mod lol

And you told him to dub himself.

 

[My Spot]

I never saw him abuse his authority like RR or Mick. Got a little nutty toward BarryDillon, but that's it.

lol why are y'all so afraid to tag mods?

 

[Sara]

lol why are y'all so afraid to tag mods?

Yeah I mean I tag @TeTe every time I bash him.

 

[Sketch]

How’bout that noose guys?