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Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

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Which is how wealth is made. Not through buying a vanguard total stock fund. No one should ever do that if their intention is to earn actual wealth.
No, that's not a good thing. It artificially inflates home prices. One of the reasons Canada's GDP is so stagnant is because of this method of accruing wealth instead of investment in business.
 
The thing is, once you've got some equity thanks to that initial low interest loan, you can leverage that plus the increase in market price of it over time to purchase additional properties.
My understanding is that the way mortgages are amortized you're mostly paying interest early on so it takes time to accrue equity but yes if your ultimate goal is to acquire rental properties then it could work out though it requires taking on quite some debt since you taking a home equity loan before paying off the initial mortgage. Depending on your circumstance you might not even need to get a 2nd property though, part of the reason I advocate for the right to build ADUs and renovate single family homes(SFH) into multifamily ones(MFH) is to facilitate what they call "house hacking" where you rent out some part of your primary residence. If you bought a home, built an ADU, and then rented out either unit to help cover the mortgage while living in the other that's a smarter investment than merely buying the SFH and hoping it appreciate.
 
No, that's not a good thing. It artificially inflates home prices.
I addressed this in another post but the number of people on FHA or USDA loans who was getting a HELOC and then buying another home has to be extremely small to the point of making no impact on the market whatsoever.

If you’re talking about people who leverage their homes to then buy other homes as a negative, I also disagree. Islam agrees with the sentiment that renting is better and wants more rentals, why shouldn’t normal people be able to provide rentals versus big corporations? What’s wrong with someone getting a HELOC and putting on an ADU? Or buying a home and putting on an ADU where there wasn’t one before?
 
My understanding is that the way mortgages are amortized you're mostly paying interest early on so it takes time to accrue equity but yes if your ultimate goal is to acquire rental properties then it could work out though it requires taking on quite some debt since you taking a home equity loan before paying off the initial mortgage. Depending on your circumstance you might not even need to get a 2nd property though, part of the reason I advocate for the right to build ADUs and renovate single family homes(SFH) into multifamily ones(MFH) is to facilitate what they call "house hacking" where you rent out some part of your primary residence. If you bought a home, built an ADU, and then rented out either unit to help cover the mortgage while living in the other that's a smarter investment than merely buying the SFH and hoping it appreciate.
Do you not have a mortgage?
 
I don’t apologize for not subscribing to the “you’ll own nothing and be happy” model for living.
That's the Trump economic model, kids have too many pencils and dolls and need to sacrifice that for the good of the country.

I want people to be able to own things if they want to, whether its dolls, pencils, or homes, but that doesn't make all investments equally good.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the assertion that a home is not an investment vehicle. I also think it’s important to note that my opinion is not contingent on your mortgage being a part of USDA or FHA.
I never said a home is not an investment vehicle, just that its not necessarily a good one purely in financial terms and setting aside the obvious subjective value of home ownership
I also think saying those are “subsidizing” your home as being a blatant misrepresentation of what those loans are, but to each their own.
How is it a misrepresentation? The government backs the loans, how is that not a subsidy of some kind? Of course there's also the tax deduction on the interest payments and the programs that help you acquire the funds for a down payment. I don't think there's any arguing that home ownership isn't subsidized in this country.
Saying “rent and buy the total market instead” is a silly position. “Why rent when the mortgage is the same price?” He then went on to say things like “what about real estate tax”. The average cost to rent for an equivalent home is typically the same as the cost to own. It’s only recently what housing has become extremely unaffordable to the point people can’t even buy if they wanted.

Forgive me if I don’t think that a rental society versus an ownership society is a positive.
Its not the same costs though, owning a home has higher upfront costs and more ongoing expenses than renting. Of course there are upsides too but its not accurate to say they cost the same.
This reeks of WEF.
You reek of brain worms.
 
It's risky in my opinion, isn't likely to be oversaturated ?

As in there will be more qualified people than jobs in the next few years ?
I think its as safe of a bet as any for white collar work. And the nice thing is you don't need an expensive 4 year degree anymore.
 
I think its as safe of a bet as any for white collar work. And the nice thing is you don't need an expensive 4 year degree anymore.
I've heard the opposite, used to be if you could prove yourself through coding projects and certifications you could get a good CS job but that nowadays many employers want to see a degree.

I mostly agree with you that its not as bad a career path as people make it out to bein light of AI and oversaturation. I think the golden age of CS is well behind us, you're not getting a six figure job out of college merely for having a CS degree, but compared to the overall job market its likely still a solid choice.
 
Say what? Betting on the US stock market is universally the best investment strategy that will work for everyone.
Yes it’s a low ask investment strategy. You’ll never “lose” but you won’t ever make wealth.
 
I've heard the opposite, used to be if you could prove yourself through coding projects and certifications you could get a good CS job but that nowadays many employers want to see a degree.

I mostly agree with you that its not as bad a career path as people make it out to bein light of AI and oversaturation. I think the golden age of CS is well behind us, you're not getting a six figure job out of college merely for having a CS degree, but compared to the overall job market its likely still a solid choice.
My team just hired a guy that went the coding bootcamp route.
 
Define wealth. Do I need to explain compounding to you.
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Money debases at a far greater rate than the VTSAX grows. I advise that if your goal to beat debasement you need 15% a year. VTSAX is “strong” comparatively to some other indexes at 8% a year, but you need more. I’ve grown multiples that in my portfolio and everyone should be as aggressive as possible in trying to become financially free.

for instance, 30k a year into VTSAX would net you around $143,000. That’s not enough over 10 years.
 
He didn’t answer so I assume no. Arguing housing and the merits of the suburbs with someone who doesn’t even have a mortgage
That dude doesn't own shit. All of his arguments boil down to "I own nothing, so here's my great idea as to why everybody else should own nothing."

He does the same shit with cars. He thinks they should be abolished, and the government should force everyone to use public transit, LOL. Dude's a bum.
 
Money debases at a far greater rate than the VTSAX grows. I advise that if your goal to beat debasement you need 15% a year. VTSAX is “strong” comparatively to some other indexes at 8% a year, but you need more. I’ve grown multiples that in my portfolio and everyone should be as aggressive as possible in trying to become financially free.

for instance, 30k a year into VTSAX would net you around $143,000. That’s not enough over 10 years.
Who invests 30k and decides that's enough for the rest your life? Going aggressive is also risky. We can't all put it all in 1 or 2 spots and hope it will be the next Amazon or BTC. The smart play is the slow and steady path.

ask me what 30k a year in bitcoin would have yielded you…
Now do NFTs.
 
Who invests 30k and decides that's enough for the rest your life? Going aggressive is also risky. We can't all put it all in 1 or 2 spots and hope it will be the next Amazon or BTC. The smart play is the slow and steady path.


Now do NFTs.
30k a year. That’s a good amount for a normal person. If someone can do 25% of their income to investments they are in a better spot than 90% of people. I just wouldn’t recommend putting that all in a total stock index.

I crushed in NFTs!
 
I've heard the opposite, used to be if you could prove yourself through coding projects and certifications you could get a good CS job but that nowadays many employers want to see a degree.

I mostly agree with you that its not as bad a career path as people make it out to bein light of AI and oversaturation. I think the golden age of CS is well behind us, you're not getting a six figure job out of college merely for having a CS degree, but compared to the overall job market its likely still a solid choice.
We'll know who's right before too long but I think ai is going to take alot of jobs in the next ten years
 
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