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Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

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Been super busy. I finally had the opportunity to go back to my dad's village to bury his ashes and my mom's. I managed to sell their house. Trying to finish my graphic novel. Going to my substance abuse meetings. Spent 2 days in the ICU last week after a nasty fall gave me a brain bleed.
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I hope things slow down soon.
Get well soon buddy.

I know you've been working on that novel for a while now, glad to hear you're in the final stretch.
 
if iranians were smart, they'd be aiming for dude's jet with a surface to air missle coming back from Grenoble or wherever
the hell he went.
 


“Fuck this guy and his *checks notes* 175 year old family farm!” - Islam probably
 


@Islam Imamate about to orgasm over this video



“Fuck this guy and his *checks notes* 175 year old family farm!” - Islam probably

This is a really bad faith, distorted reading of my take. In fact this is much more in line with your thinking and I'll prove it with reference to our actual posts, something you never do when you misrepresent my posts.

First off let's address the issue of affordable housing in the sense of government subsidized housing, is that something I support?
To be clear I don't care about "affordable housing", I mainly care about increasing the supply of market rate housing.
You don't have to build affordable housing to make housing more affordable, just adding to the housing supply can help.
Right but I'm explicitly not talking about HUD housing, I'm talking about purely market rate housing which may or may not be affordable to low income folks.
Focusing on affordable housing itself is a problem IMO. Some areas just have so much demand for housing that trying to artificially make housing affordable leads to lots of weird market manipulations and work-around approaches.
You keep talking about "low income" and "affordable" housing when I don't think I made any reference to those things. I am simply talking about allowing medium density market rate housing density in low density suburbs.
Allowing existing homeowners to add more market rate units would add to the overall housing supply which would bring overall prices down within a given metro area.
So right off the bat characterizing me as someone who supports "affordable housing" when I'm very clear that I want more market rate housing strikes me as dishonest.

Now about the fact that they're building over a farm on the outskirts of the city, what have I said about that? Let's see
Its seen as a negative in urban areas because it needlessly stifles housing supply which increases housing costs which comes with a whole host of negative effects. It makes sense to protect farmland and nature preserves which provide value to the city. A residential area is supposed to provide housing therefore it makes no sense to preserve and expand suburbs that only have detached single family homes when you could add density to these areas to help preserve farmland and natural areas while bringing down housing costs.
There's an image that really encapsulates how high density housing can coexist with that priority.
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Certainly that's how I'd like to see my state developed but unfortunately our governor thinks that public transit and bike lanes are "woke" and that cars are "based" so it looks like an uphill battle in the near future.
Allowing people to build mixed use, multifamily developments isn't some lowering of standard for humanity, what a dramatic thing to say. Destroying a bunch of farmland and nature preserves to build sprawling SFHs that need to be subsidized is what's bad for humanity.
If you actually want to preserve things like farmland and natural areas then the best thing you can do is advocate for more density and better urban planning in the suburbs around cities so that large tracts of farmland and natural areas aren't razed for lawns, parking lots, and six lane highways.
One of the hidden tragedies of American urban planning and specifically suburban sprawl is that it eats up lots of agricultural land as well as natural areas. So one of the benefits of high density oriented development is that it better preserves that. In China you see rural towns that have surprisingly large populations where clusters of medium sized buildings are surrounded by many dozens of acres of farmland. In America all the farmland would be razed and replaced with lawns, roads, and parking lots which would end up housing fewer people.
But you're flat out wrong though, in most major metro areas there is increasingly less land zoned for multifamily residential units which requires suburban sprawl outwards which destroys farmland. I am seeing this all around me as I live in a semi-rural area. Allowing existing SFH suburbs to become more dense makes it easier to preserve farmland and natural areas while adding more units.
I would rather preserve the farmland by increasing the density in the suburbs closer to the city center rather than encouraging suburban sprawl.
Anyone who honestly reads me posts on this topic would see that your characterization is wildly bad faith. You have no excuse because some of those posts I quoted above were from past conversations we've had. If anything you are the one who wants to build over farmland.
Maybe let’s just build more housing further from city centers and have them zoned however those communities see fit
You guys realize how much land we have to build on in America? My goodness you’re all dense.

“Nature preserves” LOL
Also what hypocrites. You want to build more houses but only on lots where there are existing houses? wtf?
I’m against additional housing units on single family properties for a variety of reasons.
You don't explicitly say as much but its the logical conclusion of your ideas since you don't want to allow multifamily housing to be built in existing suburbs and you think such communities should be built further from city centers.

The result of that is that farmland and nature preserves at the edge of cities get built over because the existing single family suburbs come nowhere close to meeting demand for housing. So in sum not only is that story not the kind of thing I advocate for, I in fact advocate for the opposite while in fact that kind of story is the logical conclusion of your own positions.

Or in other words, you're a liar, a thief, and a fraud.
 
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This is a really bad faith, distorted reading of my take. In fact this is much more in line with your thinking and I'll prove it with reference to our actual posts, something you never do when you misrepresent my posts.

First off let's address the issue of affordable housing in the sense of government subsidized housing, is that something I support?






So right off the bat characterizing me as someone who supports "affordable housing" when I'm very clear that I want more market rate housing strikes me as dishonest.

Now about the fact that they're building over a farm on the outskirts of the city, what have I said about that? Let's see







Anyone who honestly reads me posts on this topic would see that your characterization is wildly bad faith. You have no excuse because some of those posts I quoted above were from past conversations we've had. If anything you are the one who wants to build over farmland.




You don't explicitly say as much but its the logical conclusion of your ideas since you don't want to allow multifamily housing to be built in existing suburbs and you think such communities should be built further from city centers.

The result of that is that farmland and nature preserves at the edge of cities get built over because the existing single family suburbs come nowhere close to meeting demand for housing. So in sum not only is that story not the kind of thing I advocate for, I in fact advocate for the opposite while in fact that kind of story is the logical conclusion of your own positions.

Or in other words, you're a liar, a thief, and a fraud.
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This is a really bad faith, distorted reading of my take. In fact this is much more in line with your thinking and I'll prove it with reference to our actual posts, something you never do when you misrepresent my posts.

First off let's address the issue of affordable housing in the sense of government subsidized housing, is that something I support?






So right off the bat characterizing me as someone who supports "affordable housing" when I'm very clear that I want more market rate housing strikes me as dishonest.

Now about the fact that they're building over a farm on the outskirts of the city, what have I said about that? Let's see







Anyone who honestly reads me posts on this topic would see that your characterization is wildly bad faith. You have no excuse because some of those posts I quoted above were from past conversations we've had. If anything you are the one who wants to build over farmland.




You don't explicitly say as much but its the logical conclusion of your ideas since you don't want to allow multifamily housing to be built in existing suburbs and you think such communities should be built further from city centers.

The result of that is that farmland and nature preserves at the edge of cities get built over because the existing single family suburbs come nowhere close to meeting demand for housing. So in sum not only is that story not the kind of thing I advocate for, I in fact advocate for the opposite while in fact that kind of story is the logical conclusion of your own positions.

Or in other words, you're a liar, a thief, and a fraud.
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You're not just a liar. You're not just a liar and a thief. You're a liar, a thief, AND a fraud!

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I don't know about all that but my immediate reaction to his post is that he was taking Islam's position out of context. It seemed pretty obvious he was off target.
 
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