Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

[Islam Imamate]

The evidence does t suggest anything else.

How about the fact that he was told over and over again that he lost fair and square by close advisers like Bill Barr and Mike Pence?

I don't know that there's a politician that I truly believe what they're telling me.

So then why believe Trump?

There's no way to remain in office. There was not enough evidence to go back.

Trump thought he could remain in office though and was actively trying to do so, you acknowledge that at least right?

Im telling you what happened. Trump told defense secretary to keep the protesters safe so they could carry our their constitutional rights.

Right, he wanted his goons protected.

He couldn't have known Pelosi wouldn't call out the guard. At most its just a distraction to what was going to happen.

You're blaming Pelosi?

Do the right thing means do the right thing which Trump believed was review 66M votes. It wasn't happening. The only way he could prevent it happening was to call on the military to support his cause. In fact we see the opposite happening in his directive to the defense secretary.

No, in that context "do the right thing" meant throw out the lawful electors in favor of the fake ones so he could stay in power. Are you aware of the fake electors scheme and how it tied into Jan 6th?

 

[Limbo Pete]

We all know I’m retarded

You and me both dude

Spoiler

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Very many people. Enough to re-elect him!

That doesn't make him innocent right?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

LOL, what? Randomly picking pages spaced out isn't being selective. And I already owned up to being more of a shit poster as of late. But I don't think my last 100 posts is a good reflection of my posts over the last decade. We already went thru that.

I'm not saying you're a shit poster but you stated you selectively fed it some info about him.

 

[Cajun]

How about the fact that he was told over and over again that he lost fair and square by close advisers like Bill Barr and Mike Pence?

Just because I'm being told something doesn't necessarily mean I believe it especially when we're talking 66 million votes.

So then why believe Trump?

I don't see any reason not to. You have to take some things at face value at times even from politicians

Trump thought he could remain in office though and was actively trying to do so, you acknowledge that at least right?

Only until the review of the votes. The way everything is set up the time frame is too short though so there was no way. That was really the only thing that could be done in order to bring about a win for him was recount the 66 million

Right, he wanted his goons protected.

But it doesn't mean the military would not have acted to stop them from storming the Capitol. Of course they would have.

You're blaming Pelosi?

She blamed herself. But no I'm not blaming her. I'm saying he would have had to operate under the assumption she would have called them in

No, in that context "do the right thing" meant throw out the lawful electors in favor of the fake ones so he could stay in power. Are you aware of the fake electors scheme and how it tied into Jan 6th?

Yes I am. The best thing Trump could have hoped for is a congressional review of all votes mailed. But again in the time frame there's just no way

 

[Islam Imamate]

Just because I'm being told something doesn't necessarily mean I believe it especially when we're talking 66 million votes.

Don't you think it indicates that he was only looking to listen to those who were going to tell him what he wanted to hear?

I don't see any reason not to. You have to take some things at face value at times even from politicians

You don't see any reason to doubt Trump despite admitting that he's not generally honest? Why would you take him at his word when he claims to believe something with no evidence but if true would benefit him greatly? Isn't that exactly the time to doubt a politician?

Only until the review of the votes. The way everything is set up the time frame is too short though so there was no way. That was really the only thing that could be done in order to bring about a win for him was recount the 66 million

No, he was asking Pence to throw out the real electors and accept only his fake ones. From the transcript of the speech on Jan 6th by Trump:

And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

This is not about review, its about declaring Trump president.

But it doesn't mean the military would not have acted to stop them from storming the Capitol. Of course they would have.

What makes you say that? Trump was commander in chief at the time and supported the rioters, why would he call the military on them?

Yes I am. The best thing Trump could have hoped for is a congressional review of all votes mailed. But again in the time frame there's just no way

If you're aware of the fake electors plot how can you deny he was trying to stay in office? That was the whole point of that scheme.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I'm not saying you're a shit poster but you stated you selectively fed it some info about him.

Oh about radical. Yeah lol.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I'm not saying you're a shit poster but you stated you selectively fed it some info about him.

And yeah I've been doing a bit of shit posting. I can't help but to mock some of these guys.

 

[Cajun]

Don't you think it indicates that he was only looking to listen to those who were going to tell him what he wanted to hear?

To what end? Unless something changed through a full recount with both sides present then it was pointless. He was never going to remain

You don't see any reason to doubt Trump despite admitting that he's not generally honest? Why would you take him at his word when he claims to believe something with no evidence but if true would benefit him greatly? Isn't that exactly the time to doubt a politician?

Because I don't see any other practical way of thinking about it. There would really have to be military support to remain in power.

No, he was asking Pence to throw out the real electors and accept only his fake ones. From the transcript of the speech on Jan 6th by Trump:
This is not about review, its about declaring Trump president.

Again that that in no way could happen. It's a pointless endeavor.

What makes you say that? Trump was commander in chief at the time and supported the rioters, why would he call the military on them?

He would call on the military to keep him in power. That's the only real way to remain in power. Otherwise the military is going to wipe them out in short order

If you're aware of the fake electors plot how can you deny he was trying to stay in office? That was the whole point of that scheme.

I never saw that he instructed them. But the ultimate result of all of it would have been a thorough recount. No one was going to accept it any other way. 66 million votes painlessly gone over again. That was the best anyone could hope if you thought it was taken

We have touched on all of these areas in the past bud. This was another subject we went round and round on in multiple threads including the FBI informants etc.

 

[filthybliss]

Get in line you filthy beast, lol.

Hey, it was good that we took part in Persian Gulf War. There wouldn't be a Kuwait if not. Also, NATO intervention during the Balkan Wars were neccessary. The Serbs were on a genocidal campaign, there was no denying it given that Slobadan had rape hotels for Bosnian/Kosovar women and they'd cluster all the men in concentration camps.

 

[Islam Imamate]

To what end? Unless something changed through a full recount with both sides present then it was pointless. He was never going to remain

Staying in office of course. Just because you think he had no chance of succeeding doesn't mean he wasn't trying.

Because I don't see any other practical way of thinking about it. There would really have to be military support to remain in power.

So you just blindly trust that Trump did nothing wrong because you can't imagine how he might've succeeded despite obviously trying to stay in office?

Again that that in no way could happen. It's a pointless endeavor.

I'm not asking what you think though, I'm pointing out to you that Trump thought this would work and would keep him in office. Are you disagreeing with that part?

He would call on the military to keep him in power. That's the only real way to remain in power. Otherwise the military is going to wipe them out in short order

He was planning on doing that if people protested his coup, I believe one of his cronies even mentions the Insurrection Act.

I never saw that he instructed them. But the ultimate result of all of it would have been a thorough recount. No one was going to accept it any other way. 66 million votes painlessly gone over again. That was the best anyone could hope if you thought it was taken

You never saw that he instructed them? Why were they there in the first place? Who called them there? And why on Jan 6th?

 

[Cajun]

Staying in office of course. Just because you think he had no chance of succeeding doesn't mean he wasn't trying.

So you just blindly trust that Trump did nothing wrong because you can't imagine how he might've succeeded despite obviously trying to stay in office?

I'm not asking what you think though, I'm pointing out to you that Trump thought this would work and would keep him in office. Are you disagreeing with that part?

Yes. It could only keep him if the 66M could be recounted. But that couldn't happen. Noone would think they have a chance just because they want to.... unless you instruct the military to support your cause.

He was planning on doing that if people protested his coup, I believe one of his cronies even mentions the Insurrection Act.

We have discussed the insurrection act in length and why he was never charged with that. You have to have all the military pieces in place before the protest. Ultimately the only thing he did was tell the military keep the protest civil.

You never saw that he instructed them? Why were they there in the first place? Who called them there? And why on Jan 6th?

Meadows and Roman were charged but no mention of Trump. We might as well go back and bump the thread if you're intent on talking about it instead of this general area. We've been all through this

 

[Crazy Source]

Hey, it was good that we took part in Persian Gulf War. There wouldn't be a Kuwait if not. Also, NATO intervention during the Balkan Wars were neccessary. The Serbs were on a genocidal campaign, there was no denying it given that Slobadan had rape hotels for Bosnian/Kosovar women and they'd cluster all the men in concentration camps.

Um, I was just joking about getting in line for the AI profile that @Neph is doing.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yes. It could only keep him if the 66M could be recounted. But that couldn't happen. Noone would think they have a chance just because they want to.... unless you instruct the military to support your cause.

Trump thought so which is why he organized a protest to pressure lawmakers to overturn the results and why he organized the fake elector scheme.

Are you saying that you don't think Trump was trying to stay in office despite the evidence I've presented here? Do you think Trump was there on Jan 6th for fun or what? He was clearly there to try and overturn the election, he says so himself in that speech which I've quoted.

We have discussed the insurrection act in length and why he was never charged with that. You have to have all the military pieces in place before that happens. Ultimately the only thing he did was tell the military keep the protest civil.

You misunderstand me, I'm saying that one of Trump's goons was saying that if the coup succeeds Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act to stay in power if the people protested. He was absolutely thinking about wielding the military against citizens.

Meadows and Roman were charged but no mention of Trump.

Trump was under investigation for Jan 6th but naturally he dismissed those investigations when he got into office. Don't you think that's fishy? Shouldn't he have let those investigations continue?

 

[Islam Imamate]

LOL, what? Randomly picking pages spaced out isn't being selective. And I already owned up to being more of a shit poster as of late. But I don't think my last 100 posts is a good reflection of my posts over the last decade. We already went thru that.

Where's the assessment of me as an extremist? I'm curious what it said and what posts you fed the AI.

 

[Cajun]

Trump thought so which is why he organized a protest to pressure lawmakers to overturn the results and why he organized the fake elector scheme. Are you saying that you don't think Trump was trying to stay in office despite the evidence I've presented here? Do you think Trump was there on Jan 6th for fun or what? He was clearly there to try and overturn the election, he says so himself in that speech which I've quoted.

I think he did through appropriate means meaning he thought he won and wanted everything recounted. I think he wanted the 66 million reviewed.

You misunderstand me, I'm saying that one of Trump's goons was saying that if the coup succeeds Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act to stay in power if the people protested. He was absolutely thinking about wielding the military against citizens.

The coup succeeds? Even if you want to say coup it was never going to succeed. Not without military. Any other thinking is illogical and ridiculous

Trump was under investigation for Jan 6th but naturally he dismissed those investigations when he got into office. Don't you think that's fishy? Shouldn't he have let those investigations continue?

We already talked about all those. All of those charges came just before the election year? That's fishy in and of itself. Then you have so many from different angles... fani willis to Letitia James... noone thinks these peeps are unbiased and just doing their jobs at this point. I doubt he would leave it to chance. With all you've said.... the reason he was re-elected is that people were not convinced.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think he did through appropriate means meaning he thought he won and wanted everything recounted. I think he wanted the 66 million reviewed.

Appropriate means? You think organizing a protest to overturn the election is appropriate?

The coup succeeds? Even if you want to say coup it was never going to succeed. Not without military. Any other thinking is illogical and ridiculous

What makes you say that? If Pence threw out the real electors and chose the fake ones who knows what would've happened? Do you think the military would try to overthrow the commander in chief?

We already talked about all those. All of those charges came just before the election year? That's fishy in and of itself. Then you have so many from different angles... fani willis to Letitia James... noone thinks these peeps are unbiased and just doing their jobs at this point. I doubt he would leave it to chance.

When should have Trump been charged for it not to look fishy? Should Trump have been charged at all in your view?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Where's the assessment of me as an extremist? I'm curious what it said and what posts you fed the AI.

I already told you yesterday. Rooting for Hamas on 10/7.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I already told you yesterday. Rooting for Hamas on 10/7.

So you didn't actually feed it any of my posts? You just asked a generic question with no connection to anything I actually said? No wonder it thinks you're a shitposter.

 

[Deorum]

Where's the assessment of me as an extremist?

The AI believes you favor the Hanbali school of jurisprudence.