Waldo Cortes Acosta

[Royce Greasy]

There are, throughout HW history and organizations, HWs that have based their entire successful careers off of grappling and BJJ. . . yet we still have clowns on here pretending that just because most modern HWs are fat, lazy, and two-dimensional fighters, that that's the best and only necessary way.

Casual and idiotic indeed.

Yes I agree, here's some food for thought take Andrei Arlovski whose career began in 1997 just take a lot at his fights in the last few years that's crazy enough saying, the mid-level HW's are having trouble and in a lot of cases losing to me that's crazy.

 

[Royce Greasy]

isnt Jon Jones a blue belt? or at least was for the longest time. you cant look too much into belt color of professional fighters. if you are looking at the local gym it means much more than it does in the UFC.

Jones is a NJCAA wrestler that's an equivalent to a BB in jiu jitsu for grappling, I'm talking about there are fighters now that just have blue or purple belts that were basically just strikers.

 

[wufabufa]

A lot of big dudes suck

Probably the more accurate statement overall.

 

[Xoleth]

Prime Izzy had good TDD. A lot of guys tried to take him down and couldn't.

He fought only one wrestler in his UFC career: Vettori.
Who took him down.
And who wasn't that good of a wrestler.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

He fought only one wrestler in his UFC career: Vettori.
Who took him down.
And who wasn't that good of a wrestler.

Brunson?

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Yes I agree, here's some food for thought take Andrei Arlovski whose career began in 1997 just take a lot at his fights in the last few years that's crazy enough saying, the mid-level HW's are having trouble and in a lot of cases losing to me that's crazy.

Good point.

 

[Sticko]

He fought only one wrestler in his UFC career: Vettori.
Who took him down.
And who wasn't that good of a wrestler.

Well, he fought Vettori twice, and he managed to get up from those takedowns.

He also fought Yoel Romero and Derek Brunson.

Cannonier and Whittaker in the rematch both tried to wrestle Izzy and basically couldn't.

 

[Xoleth]

Well, he fought Vettori twice, and he managed to get up from those takedowns.

He also fought Yoel Romero and Derek Brunson.

Cannonier and Whittaker in the rematch both tried to wrestle Izzy and basically couldn't.

Yoel didn't used his wrestling in UFC.
Cannonier is not a wrestler.
Rob took him down several times.
Brunson is a wrestler, but not a very good one.

 

[Sticko]

Yoel didn't used his wrestling in UFC.
Cannonier is not a wrestler.
Rob took him down several times.
Brunson is a wrestler, but not a very good one.

Izzy got up from all of Rob's takedowns no problem.
Yoel iirc also tried to take down Izzy once or twice.
Brunson's biggest problem was his questionable striking defense.


I'm not saying Prime Izzy would defeat Khamzat or anything like that. Just that people did try to grapple him without much success. If you weren't an elite threat on the ground Izzy would win. Rob is not a huge threat on the ground and he was not able to steal rounds using lay and pray.

 

[markantony20]

So I noticed Waldo Cortes Acosta is a blue belt level in jiu jitsu and I find that shocking tbh that someone at this level the highest has what is an intermediate level of what is probably one of the main ground styles if not the most important yet I see so many modern UFC fighters with blue belts pretty ridiculous. I don't buy for one second either that you don't need to be at an elite level of jiu jitsu to hang at the highest level of the sport, I think that the rules have been tweaked in such a way that guys can get by with intermediate level grappling skills because there is such an emphasis on stand-up and brawling in the modern UFC for entertainment purposes, this is further evidenced by the reaction from a lot of fans complaining about the performance Chimaev who is a high level grappler who imposed his will and style upon DDP who is imo a striker heavy fighter, Chimaev was such a level that he could bypass the bias rules(stand-ups, no knees etc) and dominate.


There's no way that you can claim that fighters have evolved when guys have blue belt level grappling and rely solely on MT because that's what much of the modern fighters consist of and it's ridiculous to think that elite guys like Couture, Werdum, Mir and hell even Lesnar could not steamroll these current crop of guys with shit grappling like Gane, Tuivasa, Izzy etc, and not only that I truly believe a lot of these dudes are being promoted super fast simply for being good at something completely different than jiu jitsu and it's like oh fuk it here's a BB I do see this going on, what we have right now are a bunch of MT, Kickboxing heavy fighters that the only way they're flourishing the way they are is with the rule-set and 5 minute rounds helps a lot as well as scoring non-significant strikes and significant which leads to terrible decisions UFC leads in that category, I'm almost 100% certain that the current crop of HW's at least get destroyed by the previous 3 generations simply by being one-dimentional and awful at wrestling and jiu jitsu this is just my own observation.

Mir was good but I think most guys knock him out.

He was the cream of the JiuJitsu crop in his time but now that it’s more common I think he’d struggle.

 

[markantony20]

OK casual an idiotic comment to say the least. Not only that they would get destroyed by every other HW from years past, Dan Severn would get 90% of these current guys not joking.

Most of Dan Severn’s fights were fake though it’s been proven multiple times.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Most of Dan Severn’s fights were fake though it’s been proven multiple times.

That's a gross overstatement perpetrated by modern UFC fans, it's totally absurd to think such a thing and there is very little proof other than "I think his fights are fake" and rumors spread on the net, that's the standard nowadays just trash legends without much of any proof it's disgusting and just remember if his fights are fake than guys like Forest, Buentello etc, are fake when you discredit a legend you also implicate the other legends that were involved so I guess most of early mma history is fake because of a bunch of modern tards on a forums pathetic.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Mir was good but I think most guys knock him out.

He was the cream of the JiuJitsu crop in his time but now that it’s more common I think he’d struggle.

Don't know why you're bringing up Mir but since you did I'd say in his prime he'd beat all of the the for the exception of Aspinall, the UFC HW division is fukking garbage period the guys aren't advanced for the exception of Aspinall.

 

[Necrocrawler]

Most of Dan Severn’s fights were fake though it’s been proven multiple times.

I don't really think they were fake. The biggest issue is that they were mostly against cans. Every time he would get better competition (and im not saying UFC level competition), he would lose (lost to a 4-0 guy twice, lost to Tony Bonello, Seth Petruzelli).

About fighting cans... The biggest issue is legitimacy due to how fast a can throw a fight. These days we've seen a lots of fights getting into the inegible for someone's record due to lack of competition (caused by cans that throw fights too fast).
I believe if Dan Severn would score his wins these days, most of his fights would get inegible.