W&T General Discussion Thread

9mm and it’s an Agency 417

2 set screws hold it on from the bottom? Does it butt up against the end of the muzzle?

That one may not make much difference, other than screws working lose over time. Do you already have to loctite them?

One another note, do you feel you get any "real" recoil reduction from it?

Did you have to change the recoil spring or anything?
 
2 set screws hold it on from the bottom? Does it butt up against the end of the muzzle?

That one may not make much difference, other than screws working lose over time. Do you already have to loctite them?

One another note, do you feel you get any "real" recoil reduction from it?

Did you have to change the recoil spring or anything?
Oh I haven't mounted it yet. There are two set screws and it came with a small vial of the red Loctite. Watching vids from like Sage Dynamics and others that use them they all say "loctite the set screws but keep track of them and maybe once every 6 months take the whole thing apart and reapply loctite on the set screws just for ease of mind.

I don't think I have to change the recoil spring/guiderod system.

It just screws onto a 1/2x28 threaded barrel and sits flush with the muzzle end of the slide.
 
Oh I haven't mounted it yet. There are two set screws and it came with a small vial of the red Loctite. Watching vids from like Sage Dynamics and others that use them they all say "loctite the set screws but keep track of them and maybe once every 6 months take the whole thing apart and reapply loctite on the set screws just for ease of mind.

I don't think I have to change the recoil spring/guiderod system.

It just screws onto a 1/2x28 threaded barrel and sits flush with the muzzle end of the slide.

So its screwed, screwed and glued!

It'll prolly stay put fine. Just that the red loctite will likely require heat to remove each time, and will be a pain to clean off and out of the threads.

If its aluminum will start to wear over time anyway so maybe just put it on and leave it till after so many rounds its blown out anyhow.

Long as it stays put you can always spray the gun to clean it.

One indicator if a comp is really taking a bite outa recoil is that a lighter recoil spring is necessary.

If its working with the stock, (say 18lb spring or whatever) Its prolly not doing too much. (but at least it'll function and look cool)

9mms aren't big kickers anyway. $110 is fairly economical too I guess.
 
Oh I haven't mounted it yet. There are two set screws and it came with a small vial of the red Loctite. Watching vids from like Sage Dynamics and others that use them they all say "loctite the set screws but keep track of them and maybe once every 6 months take the whole thing apart and reapply loctite on the set screws just for ease of mind.

I don't think I have to change the recoil spring/guiderod system.

It just screws onto a 1/2x28 threaded barrel and sits flush with the muzzle end of the slide.

Is this for that Glock 43 or something or another you were talking about getting a little while back? The Competition glock, or one you've already had?
 
So its screwed, screwed and glued!

It'll prolly stay put fine. Just that the red loctite will likely require heat to remove each time, and will be a pain to clean off and out of the threads.

If its aluminum will start to wear over time anyway so maybe just put it on and leave it till after so many rounds its blown out anyhow.

Long as it stays put you can always spray the gun to clean it.

One indicator if a comp is really taking a bite outa recoil is that a lighter recoil spring is necessary.

If its working with the stock, (say 18lb spring or whatever) Its prolly not doing to much. (but at least it'll function and look cool)

9mms aren't big kickers anyway. $110 is fairly economical too I guess.
I mostly got it cause I saw them on sale and there's a part of me that's always wanted to play around with comps. And it's on a Glock 23 with a conversion barrel, upgraded Mepro Tru Dots, an Agency arms carry magwell and a slight undercut in the trigger guard (where it meets the grip I just had is smoothed out) so I figured "fuck it, other than the custom Agency stipple and slide work it's basically a semi custom Glock might as well go all the way."

I also have an issue with I know 9mm isn't a big kicker but I have broken my left hand before and my hand was in a cast for 8 weeks and my wrist strength in that hand has never really recovered and I really REALLY fucked up my right wrist later in life boxing sparring and shit so the 23 always feels like it wants to flip on me even when using real basic 9mm rounds.

Is this for that Glock 43 or something or another you were talking about getting a little while back? The Competition glock, or one you've already had?
It's for the 23 I already had.

The 34 I want to get to play with for small local like speed steel comps and My GOAL is to wear the fuck out of the barrel and when it gets around that time where say the spring might need a replacement or the barrel could use an upgrade I'll hopefully have the money saved to get some to give it a work over.
 
I mostly got it cause I saw them on sale and there's a part of me that's always wanted to play around with comps. And it's on a Glock 23 with a conversion barrel, upgraded Mepro Tru Dots, an Agency arms carry magwell and a slight undercut in the trigger guard (where it meets the grip I just had is smoothed out) so I figured "fuck it, other than the custom Agency stipple and slide word it's basically a semi custom Glock might as well go all the way."

I also have an issue with I know 9mm isn't a big kicker but I have broken my left hand before and my hand was in a cast for 8 weeks and my wrist strength in that hand has never really recovered and I really REALLY fucked up my right wrist later in life boxing sparring and shit so the 23 always feels like it wants to flip on me even when using real basic 9mm rounds.

It's for the 23 I already had.

The 34 I want to get to play with for small local like speed steel comps and My GOAL is to wear the fuck out of the barrel and when it gets around that time where say the spring might need a replacement or the barrel could use an upgrade I'll hopefully have the money saved to get some to give it a work over.

Werd! Mechanical advantage is always worth going for.

Shit you're up in Utah somewhere nowadays ain't it? Me and the Hoham are renting a Van in Vegas to go Hoboing around this Dec. If we were driving and not flying to Vegas, I'd bring my super dooper - make ya shit your pants Compgun, try to find you amongst the morons, I mean mormons and let you try it out. (It's one sweet motherfucker) I'm afraid the airline might lose or steal it so I'll likely only bring my shit-plastic Vp9Sk instead.

Do you have two wives yet?
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Werd! Mechanical advantage is always worth going for.

Shit you're up in Utah somewhere nowadays ain't it? Me and the Hoham are renting a Van in Vegas to go Hoboing around this Dec. If we were driving and not flying to Vegas, I'd bring my super dooper - make ya shit your pants Compgun, try to find you amongst the morons, I mean mormons and let you try it out. (It's one sweet motherfucker) I'm afraid the airline might lose or steal it so I'll likely only bring my shit-plastic Vp9Sk instead.

Do you have two wives yet?
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I have zero wives/girlfriends yet.

I've only been here since like May and other than work I keep to myself playing video games and tinkering on my guns.
 
I have zero wives/girlfriends yet.

I've only been here since like May and other than work I keep to myself playing video games and tinkering on my guns.
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I had 2 wives for a year and a bit and it was bliss, (Well, technically my Ol lady and a girlfriend)

Everytime I goto Utah, I'm jealous! I saw a goon there there last time step out with 4 wives. (two looked pretty good) Mine started making jokes about how I needed to up my game! I didn't have a comeback. I couldn't. What do you say, You're right I need two more --- ("What! What do you mean you need two more, aren't we good enough, blah blah, etc")
 
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I had 2 wives for a year and a bit and it was bliss, (Well, technically my Ol lady and a girlfriend)

Everytime I goto Utah, I'm jealous! I saw a goon there there last time step out with 4 wives. (two looked pretty good) Mine started making jokes about how I needed to up my game! I didn't have a comeback. I couldn't. What do you say, You're right I need two more --- ("What! What do you mean you need two more, aren't we good enough, blah blah, etc")
lol Jesus
 
Having owned a mini-14, I would never buy another for the simple reason that the gas system on those things causes accuracy loss at around round 4 of any group you shoot, not to mention any pressure on the front of the forearm. They have a very skinny barrel, with a big ol gas block hanging off it. Thing gets warm quick and starts slinging rounds. Mine shot good 0-3 shots though.
How low ago did you own one? Ruger really stepped up on improvements starting in 2005 addressing the problems. The barrels are thicker now and the gas system was modified.
 
How low ago did you own one? Ruger really stepped up on improvements starting in 2005 addressing the problems. The barrels are thicker now and the gas system was modified.

It was in the late 90s.

Does the gas system still look like they pulled it from an M1 carbine?

(Edit: it does)
https://www.brownells.com/aspx/learn/learndetail.aspx?lid=12840

Some of these groups are rather large
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-ruger-mini-14-stainless-ranch-rifle/

Still I guess if you like them and the price doesn't bother you, you're the only one it has to please, not goons from the internet!
 
Speaking of states standing up for rights.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-politicians-back-gun-maker-155938898.html

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Ten states and nearly two dozen members of Congress are joining the National Rifle Association in supporting gun-maker Remington Arms as it fights a Connecticut court ruling involving liability for the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

Officials in the 10 conservative states, 22 House Republicans and the NRA are among groups that filed briefs with the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday and Wednesday. They urged justices to overturn the Connecticut decision, citing a much-debated 2005 federal law that shields gun-makers from liability, in most cases, when their products are used in crimes.

Remington, based in Madison, North Carolina, made the Bushmaster AR-15-style rifle used to kill 20 first graders and six educators at the Newtown, Connecticut, school on Dec. 14, 2012.

A survivor and relatives of nine victims of the massacre filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Remington in 2015, saying the company should have never sold such a dangerous weapon to the public and alleging it targeted younger, at-risk males in marketing and product placement in violent video games.

Citing one of the few exemptions in the 2005 federal law, the Connecticut Supreme Court ruled 4-3 in March that Remington could be sued under state law over how it marketed the rifle. The decision overturned a ruling by a state trial court judge who dismissed the lawsuit based on the federal law, named the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.
 
@Lord Coke

https://www.yahoo.com/news/justice-dept-charges-texas-man-220242057.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Texas man is the first person to be charged under a federal ban on bump stocks, devices that allow a semi-automatic firearm to fire rapidly like a machine gun, the Justice Department said Thursday.

Ajay Dhingra, 43, of Houston, came on the radar of the U.S. Secret Service in August after he sent an email to the George W. Bush Foundation asking the former president to "send one of your boys to come and murder me," according to court records.

Prosecutors allege that Dhingra had previously been involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility and was prohibited from owning firearms. When Secret Service agents showed up at his house, Dhingra told them he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, court documents said.
 
erik is lead counsel but I am working on the case with him. I had a case and he had one so ours got merged with his and we are asking the supreme court to review both our cases
https://www.law.com/nationallawjour...dvocates-ask-scotus-to-review-bump-stock-ban/

In a case with potential implications for all regulated industries, gun rights advocates are asking the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse a federal appellate court decision applying deference to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ rule banning bump-stock devices.

In Guedes v. ATF, a group of bump-stock owners and Second Amendment organizations argue that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit incorrectly applied so-calledChevron deference to the agency’s interpretation of “machinegun” in two criminal statutes: the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968.

The petition for review, filed by Erik Jaffe of Washington, D.C.’s Schaerr Jaffe, contends that the circuit court’s 2-1 decision in April “stretches the [Chevron] doctrine beyond its breaking point.” The Chevron doctrine stemmed from the Supreme Court ruling in Chevron U.S.A. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, which established a two-part framework for evaluating an agency’s interpretation of a statute.

“Although the agency had never sought and expressly eschewed Chevron deference for its interpretation of a central element of a criminal statute, the panel majority held that the statutory definition of ‘machinegun’ was ambiguous and that deference, rather than the rule of lenity, applied and could not be waived by the government,” wrote Jaffe in the petition.

The rule of lenity, according to the Supreme Court, requires that “when there are two rational readings of a criminal statute, one harsher than the other, [the court is] to choose the harsher only when Congress has spoken in clear and definite language.” Jaffe argues, “There certainly is no clear statement here directing or specifically authorizing ATF to adopt the harsher version of ambiguous definitions of crimes.”

The petition urges the justices either to correct the D.C. Circuit decision or, if necessary, to overrule Chevron.

Reed Smith partner James Segroves, who has been following the case, said, “The question whether a federal agency should receive Chevron deference when interpreting a criminal statute is of potential significance to virtually all regulated industries, including the health care and life sciences industries.” The D.C. Circuit decisions and others, he said, “make it a closer question.”




Interest in regulating bump-stocks skyrocketed following the October 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas where the shooter had attached one to his semi-automatic firearms in order to get it to fire like an automatic weapon. The bureau issued its final rule banning the devices in December 2018, with an effective date of March 26, 2019.

The Guedes plaintiffs argued in the district court that the bureau lacked authority to promulgate the rule and that violated the Administrative Procedure Act. None of the parties, including the government, advocated application of Chevron. The district court refused to issue a preliminary injunction against the rule, and the D.C. Circuit, in a divided per curiam opinion, affirmed.

Judge Karen Henderson dissented, saying Chevron cannot be applied to criminal laws. She also argued that the bureau had impermissibly expanded the definition of “machinegun” in the two federal gun laws.
 
The rule of lenity, according to the Supreme Court, requires that “when there are two rational readings of a criminal statute, one harsher than the other, [the court is] to choose the harsher only when Congress has spoken in clear and definite language.” Jaffe argues, “There certainly is no clear statement here directing or specifically authorizing ATF to adopt the harsher version of ambiguous definitions of crimes.”


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If language is clear and definite then how do you get two different rational readings? Wouldn't lenity make more sense if the language isn't clear and definite?
 
Ever buy anything cheap that turns out to be good?

I bought this cheap inside the pants holster and its the Dog's Bollocks!

Got it for my HK VP9sk, (fits the standard sized one too) the gun clicks in, holds secure, but draws well and you can put it back in with no fuss, (what she said).

On top of all that it has this other feature near and dear a fellas heart, It's CHEAP!
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Concealment Express: IWB KYDEX Gun Holster - Custom Molded Fit - 100% US Made - Inside Waistband Concealed Carry Holster - Adj. Cant & Retention

Amazon product ASIN B076HFZRMM
 
Ever buy anything cheap that turns out to be good?

I bought this cheap inside the pants holster and its the Dog's Bollocks!

Got it for my HK VP9sk, (fits the standard sized one too) the gun clicks in, holds secure, but draws well and you can put it back in with no fuss, (what she said).

On top of all that it has this other feature near and dear a fellas heart, It's CHEAP!
81np1KKBcwL._SL1500_.jpg

81%2BknE9ZDfL._SL1500_.jpg


Concealment Express: IWB KYDEX Gun Holster - Custom Molded Fit - 100% US Made - Inside Waistband Concealed Carry Holster - Adj. Cant & Retention

Amazon product ASIN B076HFZRMM

I wouldn't call that too cheap. When I hear cheap I think dog shit like uncle Mike's.

Custom kydex holsters aren't too much more though. Like ANR design starts at like 65 I think
 
I wouldn't call that too cheap. When I hear cheap I think dog shit like uncle Mike's.

Custom kydex holsters aren't too much more though. Like ANR design starts at like 65 I think

I actually wanted leather, or a hybrid, but it was too much money sight unseen.

I was willing to gamble $40 but was pleasantly surprised with this thing. It feels right.
Hell it works good enough to be a club match holster.
 
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