Volk: This is controversial but Islam would beat Charles in a jiu-jitsu match too

[fortheo]

Also
Got subbed many many times and by guys like pettis, cowboy, lamas etc lol

Cowboy never subbed him. Pettis won world titles with submissions, and Lamas was a collegiate wrestler and bjj grappler. You guys are acting like he got subbed by bums lol.

True, but he also has 4 losses by submission. You don't usually see that happening to top BJJ guys. Werdum, Maia, Mir, etc. were never submitted in MMA. Jacare and BJ Penn weren't submitted until very late in their careers.

They also didn't grow up in the UFC.

 

[kumitechamp]

I think this statement and poll both need clarification on the type of Jui Jitsu match.

 

[mkt]

Also
Got subbed many many times and by guys like pettis, cowboy, lamas, onc lol

One of the best submission artists offensively. Defensively, not so much!

 

[Adamant__]

I think Volk is underestimating Charles a bit. I don't agree. Like Craig Jones said, they're good at controlling people but in terms of pure BJJ, they are below average. Sure, they can submit people after they hurt them but that's not the point. They do very poorly in general (look at the AIGA results for example).

Also this:

The actual quote is "Now, see, this is going to be pretty controversial. Even if they did a jiujitsu match, who do I think will win? I'd still say Islam."

The thread title makes it sound more strongly worded than it is. It seems TS is trying to drum up some Volkanovski hate.

 

[wufabufa]

I think he could beat Charles on points. Probably get the takedown and then maybe end up in side control for a bit before Charles reguards and they end up in a stalemate. I could see Charles getting points for an advantage trying to take Islams neck on a takedown attempt.

Submission only rules? I'd favor Charles.

 

[mkt]

Cowboy never subbed him. Pettis won world titles with submissions, and Lamas was a collegiate wrestler and bjj grappler. You guys are acting like he got subbed by bums lol.



They also didn't grow up in the UFC.

Mir did (starting with the UFC in histhird MMA fight). Maia fought in the UFC from his 7th fight to his final (39th) fight. Werdum was in and out of the UFC, but starting with his 4th fight against Gabriel Gonzaga, almost all of his competition was legit when he fought in Pride, UFC and Strikeforce.

 

[markantony20]

Oliveira's jiujitsu is overrated. Volkanovski has a mediocre ground game and was able to survive on the ground with Islam. Oliveira has been submitted by Jim Miller, Anthony Pettis and Ricardo Lamas.

Mediocre offense? Probably. But Volk’s grappling defence is top notch.

 

[markantony20]

I know this is controversial as well but I thought there was a better argument for Volk losing every single round to Makhachev than there was for him winning their LW title fight.

Bro that’s just crazy. Like come on yeah he didn’t win it but not won at least 1 round? That’s crazy.

 

[Lee_]

He's also been submitted a lot

Also
Got subbed many many times and by guys like pettis, cowboy, lamas etc lol

What year is it?

 

[HHJ]

It isn't as simple as being "overrated". I feel like people toss that term around too much.

His offense is very good and when he gets the momentum, he's very difficult to deal with. He's a great finisher, one of the best. In the past, he's been prone to being broken down by more physical fighters though, but Charles has become one of the more physical fighters himself as of late.

Also, remember that some fights happened at 145. I don't think Charles had the build for 155, but he also wasn't a great weight cutter so he was depleted at 145. He's since committed to 155 and took the time to build himself up physically to fit the weight class. Dude used to be really scrawny.

It's all about styles though. Volk's style actually presents problems for Islam, being a short, stocky guy. This build actually tends to be favorable when it comes to quick scrambles.

Anyway, this might have been a bit of a rant and a bit more information than Sherbros usually want, lol.

Good observations, I agree.

 

[Adamant__]

Mediocre offense? Probably. But Volk’s grappling defence is top notch.

"Volk has mediocre offense"

Yair Rodriguez:

 

[HHJ]

Volkanovski needs to take care of his own fight,

Yeah I think its ok that he can have time to talk about another fight for a few minutes.

 

[markantony20]

This is the full video and it’s actually very interesting how he brakes it down.

 

[MigitAs]

I remember when Oliveira got promoted from brown belt to black belt shortly after he beat Efrain Escudero. Now he’s third degree black belt? Crazy how time flies.

Efrain was awesome lol

 

[markantony20]

"Volk has mediocre offense"

Yair Rodriguez:

Submission offence I was talking about. He doesn’t have many submissions under his belt but he doesn’t need them when he’s got his level of striking and ground and pound.

 

[Adamant__]

Submission offence I was talking about. He doesn’t have many submissions under his belt but he doesn’t need them when he’s got his level of striking and ground and pound.

I think he just doesn't push it. Volk is actually a black belt lol. Why try to submit Yair when he can smash his head in with his vicious ground and pound.
It would be cool to see him submit Topuria after beating the living shit out of him tho ngl.

 

[markantony20]

I think he just doesn't push it. Volk is actually a black belt lol. Why try to submit Yair when he can smash his head in with his vicious ground and pound.
It would be cool to see him submit Topuria after beating the living shit out of him tho ngl.

It would.

Of course Volk has BJJ chops anyone who spends that much time with an elite BJJ guy like Craig Jones would.

I can see where you’re coming from I just don’t know because we haven’t seen much offensive grappling from him in terms of submissions. His wrestling is really good for an Aussie as we have a very weak wrestling scene here so there’s no problem there.

 

[Conan the K-9]

it is funny how we see Charles challenge him self in a BJJ match against real high level blackbelts, and you can see his jiujitsu is different there, than in MMA.

He had a match booked against Renan Barao, but had to postpone it because of UFC 294.
https://jitsmagazine.com/renan-bara...h-with-charles-oliveira/?utm_content=cmp-true
https://jitsmagazine.com/renan-bara...h-with-charles-oliveira/?utm_content=cmp-true
The truth is we will never see the dagestanis challenge them selves like this. It will be always just gym stories.

 

[Skarsgard]

This is incorrect. Do I think Islam won? Yes for sure. But rounds 2 and 3 were both quite close and round 5 was the most decisive of the entire fight. Rounds 1 and 4 were clearly Islam's with the back mount control time. It is possible to score round 5 10-8 and give Volk 2 or 3 for a draw, or even a win. I had it 48-47 I believe, round 5 wasn't a 10-8 in my opinion. That said it's impossible to score round 5 for Islam and 2 and 3 were close, so if you think there's an argument to give Islam every round you're just nuts. There's an argument Volk won though, don't agree with it but it isn't outlandish.

I still think round four was a draw. I don't think you get to score points for holding a position while eating punches the entire time.
The fight was absurdly close though.

 

[Exarch01]

I think a lot of you are seriously overestimating how many BJJ matches are actually won by submission.

I could totally see Islam winning on points. Especially with a gi.