Virtue Signaling in Gaming Megathread, v.2

[GearSolidMetal]

Harley Quinn's always been annoying. She's crazy.

Is Joker also annoying because he's crazy?

Your reasons are kind of a reach.

...'to me.'

You forgot to include that at the end of your sentence.

Let's just agree that there is a rising number of females and it's probably not 98% male dominated and perhaps it's not half either. No need to argue further, I'm tired anyway.

It ain't 30% of all console gamers are female either, unless you're honestly saying that 30% of console players are playing...
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart
Stardew Valley
Hogwart's Legacy
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy XIV
...And the sales figures ain't that high.

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"The total game console sales numbers are not very unpredictable as the Sony has sold 61.94M units of PS5 and Microsoft has sold 30.14M units of Xbox Series X|S and Nintendo Switch sold 143.49M units."

The results of that polls are outright saying women currently own 30% of the 235 million modern consoles. Which is around 75 million.


That hasn't happened, or else it'd have a very obvious cultural footprint.

I'll give you this -
'Also, we can just see Nintendo putting more effort into making female protagonists like Princess Peach and Zelda.'
I'd find it far more believable that a much higher percentage of Switch owners are women than PS5 & XBox.

But headlines like these with laughably bad claims like...

Sony reveals that 41% of PlayStation players are female​

Sony reveals that 41% of PlayStation players are female - KitGuru

Despite the fact that the video games industry has typically been viewed as a ‘boys club’, across th

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The only way that headline would be accurate in 2021 is if a significant number of the scalpers weren't men, and were just reselling them for profit.

 

[KaNesDeath]

It ain't 30% of all console gamers are female either, unless you're honestly saying that 30% of console players are playing...

~50% of the gaming population are female. This skews heavily towards one gender depending upon the game genre/subgenre. Game titles that have near 50/50 playerbase representation based on gender have a communal aspect with extensive lore.

Your looking at this through the lens of a console gamer. Not factoring in that smartphone and even Pc outpaced the console market a decade ago. That have year on year increased this gap.

 

[HHJ]

There really are alot of female gamers now. 50% sounds like too much but there are alot of them. It's a fucking business.

Whoever says its 90% men is WRONG.

 

[Zazen]

There really are alot of female gamers now. 50% sounds like too much but there are alot of them. It's a fucking business.

Whoever says its 90% men is WRONG.

Yup and a lot of people are only thinking of the USA here. Asia has an even higher percentage of female gamers, especially places like South Korea. I remember back in the day I had a pen pal from SK and she loved Starcraft. They all did back then lol

 

[GearSolidMetal]

~50% of the gaming population are female. This skews heavily towards one gender depending upon the game genre/subgenre. Game titles that have near 50/50 playerbase representation based on gender have a communal aspect with extensive lore.

50% of the world population is female.
Far less than 50% of the gaming population is female.
Females with smartphones playing Candy Crush playing Candy Crush are not 'gamers.'
If there's an increased percentage of smartphone games targeting the increased female userbase.... good. Smart business strategy.

However, all points concluding that 30%-50% of console or PC gamers are female... are not honest.
70+ million women have bought PS5s, SeriesS/X, or Switch? Or a PC?

No one believes that.
They're supposedly playing Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Stardew Valley, Hogwart's Legacy, Kingdom Hearts, and Final Fantasy XIV.
Do the total numbers of ALL those games even come close to 70 million? Is everyone who bought and played those games women? Are you honestly trying to convince us that 70+ women spent hundreds of dollars to buy a console and played one game?
By the way, another factor is mothers who buy consoles for their boys to keep them preoccupied, when women are typically in charge of the finances of their households.
Are those mothers considered 'gamers?'

So Kane and Zazen, you can point to the old polls that claim that women are 30%+ of 'gamers' all you like, but the simple fact is leftists have a very lose definition of 'gamers'.....

....and 'women.'

 

[avenue94]

50% of the world population is female.
Far less than 50% of the gaming population is female.
Females with smartphones playing Candy Crush playing Candy Crush are not 'gamers.'
If there's an increased percentage of smartphone games targeting the increased female userbase.... good. Smart business strategy.

However, all points concluding that 30%-50% of console or PC gamers are female... are not honest.
70+ million women have bought PS5s, SeriesS/X, or Switch? Or a PC?

No one believes that.
They're supposedly playing Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Stardew Valley, Hogwart's Legacy, Kingdom Hearts, and Final Fantasy XIV.
Do the total numbers of ALL those games even come close to 70 million? Is everyone who bought and played those games women? Are you honestly trying to convince us that 70+ women spent hundreds of dollars to buy a console and played one game?
By the way, another factor is mothers who buy consoles for their boys to keep them preoccupied, when women are typically in charge of the finances of their households.
Are those mothers considered 'gamers?'

So Kane and Zazen, you can point to the old polls that claim that women are 30%+ of 'gamers' all you like, but the simple fact is leftists have a very lose definition of 'gamers'.....

....and 'women.'

You act like consoles aren't shared purchases frequently. People keep presenting you data that shows a significant portion of gamers are female and all you have are "but I don't know any" and "mobile games aren't for real gamers." That's flat earther level logic you got there.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You act like consoles aren't shared purchases frequently. People keep presenting you data that shows a significant portion of gamers are female and all you have are "but I don't know any" and "mobile games aren't for real gamers." That's flat earther level logic you got there.

"Durrr.... if a man owns a console and has a girlfriend/wife.... that means the girlfriend/wife is playing it."

You really don't sound any smarter when you accuse others of 'flat earth logic.'

 

[avenue94]

"Durrr.... if a man owns a console and has a girlfriend/wife.... that means the girlfriend/wife is playing it."

You really don't sound any smarter when you accuse others of 'flat earth logic.'

Yup, happens all the time. That's the point of consoles, they're shared devices and different people can buy different games for them. Not even a good strawman you got there, it's baffling how hung up your personal identity is on there being no female gamers lol.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yup, happens all the time. That's the point of consoles, they're shared devices and different people can buy different games for them. Not even a good strawman you got there, it's baffling how hung up your personal identity is on there being no female gamers lol.

I've never said there's 'no' female gamers.
Its clear and obvious the 'female gamers' are mostly playing Candy Crush on their smartphones, or if they are playing a modern console they're going for the cheapest option which is the Switch.

You, Zazen, Kane or any other outside source, have not said what all the supposed 70+ million female console owners are playing.
I'm taking the list at face value that the relatively small percentage of female console players are playing Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Stardew Valley, Hogwart's Legacy, Kingdom Hearts, & FF16...because its actually quite believable that only one of those games are on the Top 20 best-selling games of 2024.... at #11.
'The female console players' aren't a strong demographic developers should be investing hundreds of millions of dollars into... as the developers of Dragon Age and Concord just found out.

Plain and simple, you just want to believe it.

 

[Zazen]

I've never said there's 'no' female gamers.
Its clear and obvious the 'female gamers' are mostly playing Candy Crush on their smartphones, or if they are playing a modern console they're going for the cheapest option which is the Switch.

You, Zazen, Kane or any other outside source, have not said what all the supposed 70+ million female console owners are playing.
I'm taking the list at face value that the relatively small percentage of female console players are playing Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Stardew Valley, Hogwart's Legacy, Kingdom Hearts, & FF16...because its actually quite believable that only one of those games are on the Top 20 best-selling games of 2024.... at #11.
'The female console players' aren't a strong demographic developers should be investing hundreds of millions of dollars into... as the developers of Dragon Age and Concord just found out.

Plain and simple, you just want to believe it.

You claimed 98% dude. That's basically saying they don't exist. How can you disregard polling data but then double down on your absurd number without offering any proof?

WTF does Concord and Dragon Age have to do with anything? You're so Twitter brained bro, you live on there and follow the dumbest accounts and this is where your worldview comes from. This shit makes zero sense. Females AND males did not buy concord. It peaked at 600 players lmao.

 

[Zazen]

Yup, happens all the time. That's the point of consoles, they're shared devices and different people can buy different games for them. Not even a good strawman you got there, it's baffling how hung up your personal identity is on there being no female gamers lol.

It's gatekeeping. He's heavily invested in the culture war and he sees females as a threat to his hobby. It's a very stupid mentality as there are literally thousands of games created every year. If you can't find something to play and enjoy you need a new hobby. Females aren't ruining gaming, if there is one group that's ruining gaming it's out of touch CEOs trying to chase the latest trends. Even then though I'd argue that really only applies to AAA gaming. I say the more females the better, I want everyone to enjoy this hobby.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You claimed 98% dude. That's basically saying they don't exist.

2% of 205 million modern consoles played by women sounds much closer to being right than 30+%.

How can you disregard polling data but then double down on your absurd number without offering any proof?

Because if you've ever paid attention to politics you'd know polls are frequently wrong, especially with obviously faulty data.

The vast majority of games being male-centered including all of the top sellers, and the female-centered games being major failures is a big hint.

WTF does Concord and Dragon Age have to do with anything? You're so Twitter brained bro, you live on there and follow the dumbest accounts and this is where your worldview comes from. This shit makes zero sense. Females AND males did not buy concord. It peaked at 600 players lmao.

Ladies had their own Overwatch made for them, with their own characters that were so appealing for them?

Why did the 30+% of female console gamers completely ignore it?

It's basically the equivalent of the WNBA. An entire sports league was made for them, and its been a multi-million-dollar flop every year its existed.

 

[HereticBD]

Ladies had their own Overwatch made for them, with their own characters that were so appealing for them?

Why did the 30+% of female console gamers completely ignore it?

I don't think it's fair to say that "Concord" was geared towards females specifically. More of a "modern audience" project that appeals to nobody. I don't think many games really target females, so much as they target the woke crowd. That said, it's still not catering to the core audience, which are young males. When a game just flat out does not appeal to the male demographic, it usually fails. The supposedly VAST female demo and "modern audience" demo aren't making up for the losses, when the core audience says "Fuck that".

That pretty much tells the tale of what demo is actually driving the industry. Games can be crushed by a few influential streamers ragging on it to their mostly male audience. If it was truly 50/50(or anything close), corners of the internet dragging a game down for being "woke" or whatever would not have such a big impact on perception or sales.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Females with smartphones playing Candy Crush playing Candy Crush are not 'gamers.'

Then what would you classify them as?

 

[HereticBD]

Then what would you classify them as?

People killing time on their phones that are unlikely to buy a PS5. If you want to classify them as gamers, that's fine, but they are in a different market and don't mean shit to the more hardcore(for lack of a better term) console/PC side of things.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Then what would you classify them as?

In the same classification as those who buy and play board games, or casino games.

Are they also 'gamers' in your opinion?

 

[KaNesDeath]

In the same classification as those who buy and play board games, or casino games.

As per your descriptions those examples are classified as games. Thus making those who interact with such activities gamers.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

As per your descriptions those examples are classified as games. Thus making those who interact with such activities gamers.

I'm sure my uncle who plays Texas Hold'em and Blackjack at the casino and hates video games would be thrilled to learn he's a 'gamer' by your definition.



The only way you can argue truthfully is by watering down or completely changing definitions.

 

[KaNesDeath]

People killing time on their phones that are unlikely to buy a PS5. If you want to classify them as gamers, that's fine, but they are in a different market and don't mean shit to the more hardcore(for lack of a better term) console/PC side of things.

Game sales and even playtime hours are drastically different between consoles and Pc with very little crossover.

 

[KaNesDeath]

I'm sure my uncle who plays Texas Hold'em and Blackjack at the casino and hates video games would be thrilled to learn he's a 'gamer' by your definition.

Which are classified under games of chance.