Opinion Very weird article about Obama

I can't really chime in on this one I listen to heavy metal. Some of the lyrics and meanings of the songs could also be perceived as aggressive and whatnot.
 
Richmma80 said:
Black culture created hip hop music, not the other way around.
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It also created jazz and blues. Which are both full of beauty and merit. Late 20th century black culture created hip hop. Because a cancer had fully gripped the African American community by then.
 
Cuauhtemoc said:
That you didn't reply, btw
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Meh, I have opinions on it but I don't wish to get pulled into exchanges on the topic with morons (which you can see littering both threads). I thought the comments section on the NYT article had several comments that were pretty good and on-point. There's reason to be displeased with Obama's history of line toeing and can kicking on the issue of race (which is frustrating since it became clear that, no matter how acquiescent to conservative whites/racists, they would still call him racially divisive....so he might as well have spoken truth). Some of the criticism was legitimate and some of it was not.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Look at this drug dealer all the president's stand with

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Yes the CIA were big time Dope dealers but the did so with the explicit permission of certain President's, especially a former actor and 2 time Governor of California. The deal with the drug kingpins was if you help the US fight the communist revolutionaries in your countries and we look the other way when it comes to importing drugs into the US.
 
Sketch said:
Too bad Obama didn't have the balls to say this stuff during his presidency.
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I guess I had forgotten all the times during his presidency that Obama advocated for black youth dropping out of school, getting high, gangbanging and having unprotected sex with multiple partners. Thanks for helping keep the unfiltered past alive, Screech.
 
Trotsky said:
lol there was a study on country songs/lyrics a few years ago that was really, really funny.

I love good country music, but the country music that gets played on the radio is far, far, far worse than any form of rap.
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Bo hit the nail on the head
 
100% of people who listen to rap music and buy into hip hop “culture” are fucking morons.
 
58miles said:
Yes the CIA were big time Dope dealers but the did so with the explicit permission of certain President's, especially a former actor and 2 time Governor of California. The deal with the drug kingpins was if you help the US fight the communist revolutionaries in your countries and we look the other way when it comes to importing drugs into the US.
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It never stopped. Especially once all the other intelligence agencies caught on to the game.

Cyprus exists as a financial hub, for this very reason. The FSB and CIA have been cleaning money in Cyprus for decades.
 
ultramanhyata said:
I guess I had forgotten all the times during his presidency that Obama advocated for black youth dropping out of school, getting high, gangbanging and having unprotected sex with multiple partners. Thanks for helping keep the unfiltered past alive, Screech.
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No idea what you're on about here, and my name is Sketch not Screech. Can you not read?
 
I said it in the other thread, which is basically the same thread as this one (time for a merge?). But it's worth saying again that Obama was always more "conservative" than this forum and the Republican party pretended he was for 8 years. They needed a super-Liberal boogeyman and they created one, but this is a man with pretty old-school family values.

Here's Obama talking about this same topic in 2007:

Though he had a high-profile meeting with rap star Ludacris last fall, he was also quoted by The Associated Press in April as saying that rappers were "degrading their sisters. That doesn't inspire me."

"I stand by exactly what I said, which was that the degrading comments about women that (radio host Don) Imus said is language that we hear not just on the radio, not just in music. We ourselves perpetuate that, and we all have to take responsibility for that."

But the Illinois senator also didn't let rappers off the hook.

"There's no doubt that hip-hop culture moves our young people powerfully. And some of it is not just a reflection of reality," he told the magazine. "It also creates reality. I think that if all our kids see is a glorification of materialism and bling and casual sex and kids are never seeing themselves reflected as hitting the books and being responsible and delaying gratification, then they are getting an unrealistic picture of what the world is like."
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nac386 said:
I said it in the other thread, which is basically the same thread as this one (time for a merge?). But it's worth saying again that Obama was always more "conservative" than this forum and the Republican party pretended he was for 8 years. They needed a super-Liberal boogeyman and they created one, but this is a man with pretty old-school family values.

Here's Obama talking about this same topic in 2007:
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I like Obama and thought he was a very good president but he and many people read too much into how Hip Hop affects peoples behavior negatively. In 1989 when Hip Hop was just a small niche in the music industry America's cities were warzones and almost every social indicator involving young people was heading in the wrong direction, in 2019 Hip Hop is the most popular music in the world, the national crime rate is at or near historic lows in America and around the world, teenage pregnancy has been dropping like a stone for decades, fewer young people use drugs, have sex, drink alcohol even the number of young people doing normal young people things like getting drivers licenses, smoking or skipping school has dropped.
 
Sano said:
He faked his background. His father is a city council member and his mother is married to a doctor. That doesn't mean he didn't go through a tough and criminal upbringing, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. A song he was featured on had a ghostwriter, whether it was for him or not, and others have said he was stealing lyrics. There are countless cases of the popular artist having ghostwriters like Kanye, Lil Wayne, Drake, Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, Dre, Snoop, Post Malone, Lil Kim, Nas, and the list goes on. Again, whether or not he specificly had other people write his "lyrics" is not the point, the point is that there is a giant machinery behind these artist and everything is highly orchestrated. From image, to clothes, to beats, to lyrics and so on so forth. Hip hop is a 10+ billion dollar industry and artists are only making about 10-12% of that. It's all assembly line consumerism and you'd be a fool to believe that it's not being carefully packaged.

https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/in-business/the-billion-dollar-hip-hop-industry/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmc...-the-music-industry-has-changed/#59c4c58d780f
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rap-is-leading-the-music-industrys-resurgence-696511/



Sure it sounds good sometimes, but it's music for gullible kids and grown idiots. I'm not singling out the hip hop industry though, in fact, that's just one part of it. I'm talking about the mainstream music industry as a whole. It's vapid, soulless, stupid, slickly produced fakery with "personas" and "images" instead of people. Imagine worshipping this trash as a mindless follower, celebrating being an airhead bimbo as per popstars, a "hoe" with big tits, or a drug addicted criminal. Worshipping money and flashy lights.
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"You can hear it when you walk the streets
How many people they reach
How they use music to teach
A radio program ain't a figure of speech
Don't sleep, cause you could be a radio freq"
 
So Michelle doesn’t twerk confirmed?
 
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