vertical jump measurements don't make sense

[Fedorgasm]

The NBA and NFL both make the players do this to measure their vertical jump:

You jump and slap the little bars. Makes sense, right? Except for when they publish your results, they all have measurements in the neighborhood of 38"-48"

That's way too low for it to be the measurements of the little bars they're touching. Those things are like 140" or higher.

What this means is that they must be measuring the players jump by the distance from the ground to their feet. This seems like a flawed way to measure though, because if I were an athlete and I wanted to ensure I get the highest draft position possible, then I would start practicing pointing my toes upward once I'm in the air. This could add several inches to my published vertical.

And if they started measuring from the heel, then I could bend my knees and lift my feet really high, which could add another foot or more to my vertical. Kind of like how guys do box jumps. The guy in the pic below gets his feet 64 inches off the ground.

So how would you measure vertical jumps? If you measure from the highest thing they can reach, then tall guys have an advantage even though they don't appear to be jumping that high. But if you measure from their feet, then the best leg-tuckers would win, even though someone else might jump higher but not be as flexible and quick at tucking their legs.

 

[Otto!]

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[Revolver]

lmao. this can't be a serious thread.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

lmao. this can't be a serious thread.

Too much high math involved for TS

 

[Fedorgasm]

I assume you're talking about subtracting the person's height, but then Wilt's jump doesn't make sense.

According to this site, Wilt has the highest vertical in NBA history, but once you subtract his height then he shouldn't be at 48"

http://theexercisers.com/how-to-inc...e-vertical-jump/highest-vertical-jump-in-nba/

 

[riddleofsteel]

Are you serious?
The measurement is twofold, first is standing flat footed with an arm extended overhead, that measurement is A.
Second measurement is jumping up and hitting those flags, measurement B.
Vertical jump is difference between those two.

The vertical jump in the OP is pointless for basketball, you aren't leap frogging opponents as you move down the court, the vertical jump is an indicator for height in regards to rebounding, defense, shot blocking. And height & arm length do matter in basketball, there is a reason there aren't many average height and short guys in pro basketball or even big DI college ball. And here come the Muggsy Bogues and Spud Webb replues.


Similar for football, jumping up to catch and deflect the football is important not jumping up and tucking your knees to your chest, ball carriers that actually hurdle a defender don't do that, they're hurdling instead of frogging.

 

[yamahacrasher]

Wow. I feel a little better about myself now. Thanks TS.

 

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

explain this u cant

 

[Headkicktoleg]

explain this u cant

black people can jump high

 

[HunterSdVa29]

bruh it's the difference between maximum standing reach, and no step vertical jump reach......
hence why the measurement slider is so high off the ground

 

[MMA since 1993]

Makes sense to everyone else.

 

[Fedorgasm]

bruh it's the difference between maximum standing reach, and no step vertical jump reach......
hence why the measurement slider is so high off the ground

Thanks for explaining, I actually didn't know that.

BUT

We effectively have the same problem, right? In that the jumper can alter one of the measurements?

So if I'm standing there and you tell me to stretch my arm up, I'll put it up. But then if you put a gun to my balls and say raise that arm higher, you can bet that my arm would be able to reach an inch or two higher.

So in that first measurement, guys know they can play with shoulder angle and whatnot to make their hand not quite so high, which could add another inch to their vertical.

 

[MusterX]

I assume you're talking about subtracting the person's height, but then Wilt's jump doesn't make sense.

According to this site, Wilt has the highest vertical in NBA history, but once you subtract his height then he shouldn't be at 48"

http://theexercisers.com/how-to-inc...e-vertical-jump/highest-vertical-jump-in-nba/

Wilt was a freak man.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Thanks for explaining, I actually didn't know that.

BUT

We effectively have the same problem, right? In that the jumper can alter one of the measurements?

So if I'm standing there and you tell me to stretch my arm up, I'll put it up. But then if you put a gun to my balls and say raise that arm higher, you can bet that my arm would be able to reach an inch or two higher.

So in that first measurement, guys know they can play with shoulder angle and whatnot to make their hand not quite so high, which could add another inch to their vertical.

While all true, just like short guys halfassing pushups on military PT tests, it's on the experience of the tester to straighten that out.

Also, for the NBA wingspan is always measured and valued, so it becomes hard to fake the standing reach

 

[MikeMcMann]

explain this u cant

I was about to say WTF???

But then was like...

black people can jump high

 

[aerius]

explain this u cant

That's the old school scissor kick technique for high jump, which is still used in the juniors and other meets where they don't have the big crash pads on the landing.
Dude in the green shorts was doing a variation known as the Eastern Cut-off where you rotate in mid-air to get more height and land facing the bar.

 

[rj144]

Holy shit, it makes zero sense.

Wait, WTF are you talking about?!?!

 

[RerouteToRemain]

The NBA and NFL both make the players do this to measure their vertical jump:

You jump and slap the little bars. Makes sense, right? Except for when they publish your results, they all have measurements in the neighborhood of 38"-48"

That's way too low for it to be the measurements of the little bars they're touching. Those things are like 140" or higher.

What this means is that they must be measuring the players jump by the distance from the ground to their feet. This seems like a flawed way to measure though, because if I were an athlete and I wanted to ensure I get the highest draft position possible, then I would start practicing pointing my toes upward once I'm in the air. This could add several inches to my published vertical.

And if they started measuring from the heel, then I could bend my knees and lift my feet really high, which could add another foot or more to my vertical. Kind of like how guys do box jumps. The guy in the pic below gets his feet 64 inches off the ground.

So how would you measure vertical jumps? If you measure from the highest thing they can reach, then tall guys have an advantage even though they don't appear to be jumping that high. But if you measure from their feet, then the best leg-tuckers would win, even though someone else might jump higher but not be as flexible and quick at tucking their legs.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

I assume you're talking about subtracting the person's height, but then Wilt's jump doesn't make sense.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Wilt was a freak man.

I still think you can argue he is the GOAT, i'm not sure but wouldn't argue with anyone who said he was.