Vertical Fist Nonsense

[FighterTwister]

I understand your thought processes Traditional Okinawan Karate has some serious stuff with bad intent, I don't know who you are or your background but some stuff I have seen would put any to a good test.

The individual has to read it and react with correct timing, speed, aggression and well to be honest violence.

Any art is hard to pull off and it depends on physical ability always...........and I am talking about old methods of training not this local mum and dads tot stuff.

I know allot about the Kung Fu arts but cannot say its a superior art due to its many branches and complexity.......... its base is still two arms, two legs and torso etc.

Human ability over style, always!

P.S of course I'm not going to find better videos than those I posted you know that LoL

 

[KarateStylist]

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@48 I am aiming for this................

... P.S. ....and believe me its a better place where I'm going, no more tax's

Maybe this will help. And you are correct about the sport depictions on youtube as being taken as THE standard. You just haven't taken your train of thoughT far enough.

CURRENT DOJO STORY:

When I was fairly new, I had a female 2nd degree black-belt instructor. Ran a decent class which is all I need.

Of course I don't like free sparring so of course this came up into an argument one day in class when I told her I didn't want to spar. Got the sissy response, just like here. Oh's he's a sissy, doesn't have confidence in himself... just like MMA responds. So I sparred lackluster.

So the next class, I came in and when I was instructed to spar, I countered the female instructor saying I would like to give a demonstration point about my objection to sparring. Well of course half the class was amused,,, the sissy who sparred so weakly the last class... going to put on a demonstration. The other half, like the instructor, the curiosity got the better of them. So she agreed.

What did I do. I took the first basic kata, the white belt kata like the Shotokan Taikyoku, and did a very simple couple of steps of the kata demonstration with some aids.

Well, upon that, the class and instructor immediately sat up in their chairs so to speak and took note. They had never witnessed anything like that before. I then requested that the female instructor try to replicate what I had done. She, a 2nd degree black belt failed on every count. I then requested the that the biggest, largest male a senior belt in the class try also. A large guy. He kinda was able to do what I, a relatively average fellow physically could do, but really failed overall.

The upshot was that should I be sparring, I could punch them in their face, their teeth would all be knocked out, with blood flowing out of their mouths, face in pain ^ brain in shock from the trauma. And they for all intents & purposes couldn't stop my dynamic, precision movement. Just as represented in your karate tournament kata... 'cept they witnessed it first hand.

That instructor never requested me to spar again. Ever.

 

[Ultra O’Dia]

Maybe this will help. And you are correct about the sport depictions on youtube as being taken as THE standard. You just haven't taken your train of thoughT far enough.

CURRENT DOJO STORY:

When I was fairly new, I had a female 2nd degree black-belt instructor. Ran a decent class which is all I need.

Of course I don't like free sparring so of course this came up into an argument one day in class when I told her I didn't want to spar. Got the sissy response, just like here. Oh's he's a sissy, doesn't have confidence in himself... just like MMA responds. So I sparred lackluster.

So the next class, I came in and when I was instructed to spar, I countered the female instructor saying I would like to give a demonstration point about my objection to sparring. Well of course half the class was amused,,, the sissy who sparred so weakly the last class... going to put on a demonstration. The other half, like the instructor, the curiosity got the better of them. So she agreed.

What did I do. I took the first basic kata, the white belt kata like the Shotokan Taikyoku, and did a very simple couple of steps of the kata demonstration with some aids.

Well, upon that, the class and instructor immediately sat up in their chairs so to speak and took note. They had never witnessed anything like that before. I then requested that the female instructor try to replicate what I had done. She, a 2nd degree black belt failed on every count. I then requested the that the biggest, largest male a senior belt in the class try also. A large guy. He kinda was able to do what I, a relatively average fellow physically could do, but really failed overall.

The upshot was that should I be sparring, I could punch them in their face, their teeth would all be knocked out, with blood flowing out of their mouths, face in pain ^ brain in shock from the trauma. And they for all intents & purposes couldn't stop my dynamic, precision movement. Just as represented in your karate tournament kata... 'cept they witnessed it first hand.

That instructor never requested me to spar again. Ever.

Not sure if trolling...

 

[FighterTwister]

I told you I understand your thought processes.............. I am the same, because when you know the intent a techniques has, the last thing you want to do is beat the living daylights of someone you know, because you might as well hire a body guard after that LoL or worse jail.

Yes TMA's are not for sparring, its more dynamically drilling or as shown above a demonstration than actual sparring but we a digressing and off topic so better make another thread.

In the recent post I made was to show the mechanics of technique between Karate and a Kung Fu art and the many similarities but focusing on the straight punch attributes as in my view neither is at a disadvantage nor against a vertical punch either all have there instance in application and body target application.

 

[KarateStylist]

A view into horizontal fist striking.

The emphasis is on the body alignment and fighting principles.........

And on levels of effectiveness in the traditional martial arts. Here's an Okinawan, okay Japanese too, style of traditional karate which is more sophisticated than my Shotokan like style. Hence, if mastered to competent working knowledge, more stronger karate & more effective.

Kata 1 Julie
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Goju Ryu Karate-Do Tongeren
Published on Oct 2, 2017

This is very nice kata. For her age, a female, really, really good. This is also akin to upper degree black-belt kata in Shotokan. She's a brown belt in Goju ryu.

Goju is more Okinawan in flavor than Shotokan karate. Goju is more sophisticated & more powerful, more tactically compared compared to Shotokan. That is my position.

Relating to fist, notice the one karate uppercut, the standard karate fist inverted. Getting into the sophistication of applications with the standard fist in mind.

Perhaps one of the best qualities of her kata is her Kiai. Very good, strong. Signifying and representing karates' inner strengths.

This kata progression is how traditional karate prepares her for the Jessica Andrade's. But achieving the qualities developed by such a kata to it's full potential makes for a very daunting task. Answer to Hotora why no Shaun Obasi's in MMA.

Notice there are only 64 views in a year since posting. This is where I live in martial arts, what Julie is doing. My karate is advanced for my style, it's approaching some levels of Goju Ryu. But it's not Goju. My style doesn't have the same potential.

 

[KarateStylist]

I told you I understand your thought processes.............. I am the same, because when you know the intent a techniques has, the last thing you want to do is beat the living daylights of someone you know, because you might as well hire a body guard after that LoL or worse jail.

My point about the class was difference in belief on how to train. Sparring if fine for training, it's one of three main pillars in the traditional curriculum. My point was that I don't need to free spar to be a fighter. Following the demo, they accepted that.

Yes TMA's are not for sparring, its more dynamically drilling or as shown above a demonstration than actual sparring but we a digressing and off topic so better make another thread.

Sure. But your Wing Chun post with the active sparring... I told you that was legit. That's productive for all the reasons talked about.

In the recent post I made was to show the mechanics of technique between Karate and a Kung Fu art and the many similarities but focusing on the straight punch attributes as in my view neither is at a disadvantage nor against a vertical punch either all have there instance in application and body target application.

All the TMA's develop body, mind, spirit, and hence the mechanics all reflect the similarities you spoke off. So overall I'm on the exact same page with you there. It's just I think I understand what (generally) is involved as per art. Which is related to the vertical fist's effectiveness, in action.

So it would seem I went far afield for the forum. OTOH, MMA training curriculum's are like a week-old swiss cheese, stale & full of holes. Ending now, on your comment about the sport fighting depictions on You tube supposedly being THE martial arts.

 

[KarateStylist]

Any art is hard to pull off and it depends on physical ability always...........and I am talking about old methods of training not this local mum and dads tot stuff.

Yep, you sure are.

I know allot about the Kung Fu arts but cannot say its a superior art due to its many branches and complexity.......... its base is still two arms, two legs and torso etc.

No. The base is body, mind, & spirit which is action-ated by two arms, two legs, etc.

Kung fu is way above karate, more powerful, more dynamic.

Human ability over style, always!

No, Okinawan karate is above my Japanese offshoot karate.

P.S of course I'm not going to find better videos than those I posted you know that LoL

Why I posted that story about my in class kata demo trumping the instructor's direction to spar to learn how to fight well. It was a demonstration of body, mind & spirit (energy) while they were caught up in physical two arms, two legs duking it out.

The karate / kung video set was excellent. Your knowledge showed in the choices.

BTW. The way the kung fu instructor said on the punch, the shoulder extends forward and the rear behind. That is correct by one interpretation. By one application. There are different ways of developing & applying strength into power by the two arms / two legs. Engaging body, mind, spirit is TMA's universal law. What I told that BudoNoah member.

I typically do not extend my shoulders during punching practice, which is very kung fu by base principle. Karate always remember, came from kung fu. My style is not quite so physical as Shotokan.

 

[ocean size]

What did I do. I took the first basic kata, the white belt kata like the Shotokan Taikyoku, and did a very simple couple of steps of the kata demonstration with some aids.

Well, upon that, the class and instructor immediately sat up in their chairs so to speak and took note. They had never witnessed anything like that before. I then requested that the female instructor try to replicate what I had done. She, a 2nd degree black belt failed on every count. I then requested the that the biggest, largest male a senior belt in the class try also. A large guy. He kinda was able to do what I, a relatively average fellow physically could do, but really failed overall.

The upshot was that should I be sparring, I could punch them in their face, their teeth would all be knocked out, with blood flowing out of their mouths, face in pain ^ brain in shock from the trauma. And they for all intents & purposes couldn't stop my dynamic, precision movement. Just as represented in your karate tournament kata... 'cept they witnessed it first hand.

That instructor never requested me to spar again. Ever.

 

[KarateStylist]

Well youse guys would pan that of course. Get back to your real MMA training, the heavy bags, mitt banging & sparring stuff. Be like Holly, Luke & Ben. Happy by yur purrFORMance.

EDIT: No need to clock when I log on either. Get started without me.