International Venezuela, The Socialist Dystopia, v4: Legislative election leaves Venezuela in political standoff

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82 years and counting, that's how many years bolivarianism has costed Venezuela, if they keep going they may even go lower.
Hm, never thought Income in Spanish would be written Ingreso, which literally means income but more as a "incoming person".
Anyhow, the graph shows perfectly the failure of the Bolivarian regime. People forget that Venezuela was a rich country in the 70-80s, for Latin American standards, and at the time most Latin American countries were dirt poor.
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In the long run Nigeria is doing better than Venezuela. Despite Boko Haram and a genocidal civil war.
 
Hm, never thought Income in Spanish would be written Ingreso, which literally means income but more as a "incoming person".

Ingress is the english word for ingreso and literally means "to enter".
 
In the long run Nigeria is doing better than Venezuela. Despite Boko Haram and a genocidal civil war.

Yeah that chart is outdated, Venezuela i most likely below Nigeria at this point.
 
When Venezuela goes into a hard famine, I wonder if the leadership will block international aid. The people at the land borders of Venezuela will find reprieve, but the interior and those on the coastal border are probably going to die at high rates.

They already had a fight over aid. Some got in, some got burned on the border and some turned away.

Yeah, that was thoroughly documented in v3, for those who like to catch up.
 
Yeah that chart is outdated, Venezuela i most likely below Nigeria at this point.
It only goes to 2018 because they stopped collecting or publishing data then.
It's probably very low nowadays.


In that other thread about Cuba I talk about how an embargo is always bad and in Venezuela's case it is not helping but I was reading some about Venezuela and Maduro claims the sanctions against PDVSA are hurting Venezuela. How he can't fix stuff because he can't buy parts etc
How dumb is he?

You have an oil company that relies on American technology or other stuff that you buy in dollars.
He then goes on and starts an aggressive anti-american campaign. Gets surprised Americans sanction him. His company fails. His oil state collapses.

That's not even a fault of communism, it's straight up idiocy. Small countries that have lots of oil have some leverage but not enough to confront the US.
We are not in the 50s anymore, the US doesn't give a fuck if you're a socialist, if you want to redistribute oil money to your people, if you want to take over land from your farmers and give it to peasants.
Or even if you want to kill journalists and saw them into little pieces. See the glorious kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
They do care if you want to become buddies with Iran and NK.
 
"Poor people worse off in 2020 than in 2019 in (insert any country in the entire world"

Cool parlor trick lol.
 
It only goes to 2018 because they stopped collecting or publishing data then.
It's probably very low nowadays.


In that other thread about Cuba I talk about how an embargo is always bad and in Venezuela's case it is not helping but I was reading some about Venezuela and Maduro claims the sanctions against PDVSA are hurting Venezuela. How he can't fix stuff because he can't buy parts etc
How dumb is he?

You have an oil company that relies on American technology or other stuff that you buy in dollars.
He then goes on and starts an aggressive anti-american campaign. Gets surprised Americans sanction him. His company fails. His oil state collapses.

That's not even a fault of communism, it's straight up idiocy. Small countries that have lots of oil have some leverage but not enough to confront the US.
We are not in the 50s anymore, the US doesn't give a fuck if you're a socialist, if you want to redistribute oil money to your people, if you want to take over land from your farmers and give it to peasants.
Or even if you want to kill journalists and saw them into little pieces. See the glorious kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
They do care if you want to become buddies with Iran and NK.

Its a flaw of Communism that power ends up centrally located in few hands and they end up not willing to let it go.. Including sinking their country while they're doing it. Also, it requires citizens to forcibly contribute to the "State", whether they want to or not... Sometimes at the end of the rifle...
 
In Venezuelan rural heartland, angry Maduro supporters fuel protest wave
Keren Torres and Brian Ellsworth | OCT 12, 2020​

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URACHICHE, Venezuela (Reuters) - In the Venezuelan town of Urachiche, long a bastion of support for President Nicolas Maduro's ruling Socialist Party, a radio station broadcast messages in September calling for a protest over decaying public services and chronic fuel shortages.

The man driving the rally was an activist named Edito Hidalgo of the Tupamaro party, which is closely allied with Maduro - a stark contrast from typical Venezuelan street agitators who are fiercely anti-government.

"Our people have the right to live. We want efficiency in public services," Hidalgo said at the municipal headquarters of the town of 20,000 during a Sept. 22 march, flanked by dozens of others demanding improved access to water, electricity and fuel.

The march ended peacefully. But by the next day, nearby towns in the agricultural state of Yaracuy were convulsed with protests that troops broke up with tear gas and rubber bullets.

Within a week, hundreds of similar protests broke out across the South American nation, from the western Zulia state, which has been prone to black outs, to the isolated Caribbean shores of Sucre in the east, before a deployment of troops halted the demonstrations.

The unrest revealed how Venezuela's agricultural heartland remains a tinder box for social unrest and how even Socialist Party stalwarts are losing patience with the privations caused by a crippling six-year economic crisis that has been accelerated by a six-month coronavirus quarantine.

In interviews with a dozen people in Urachiche and the nearby towns of Yaritagua and Chivacoa, residents described anger and weariness at the struggles of making do without basic services.

Nearly all asked not to be identified, citing possible reprisals and intimidation by security forces.

During a visit to four cities in Yaracuy in early October, protests had died down. Troops and military vehicles remained stationed on the streets.

Hidalgo, in a telephone interview, said the march he led was unrelated to the demonstrations that followed, and said citizens are angry at the lack of basic services and difficulty obtaining food.

"Our march was totally peaceful," he said. "The people are walking around with their eyes sunken because they can't get any protein."

Venezuela's information ministry did not respond to requests for comment.

Socialist Party officials say the problems with public services are the result of U.S. sanctions meant to force Maduro from office, and frequently accuse opposition leaders of orchestrating street violence.

MULES BECOME MEALS

Rural Venezuela has been a Socialist Party stronghold for more than a decade, largely because government institutions are usually the only ones that can help isolated communities that struggle to find work, housing and medical attention.

Urachiche, around 320 kilometers (200 miles) west of Caracas, was so devoted to late socialist leader Hugo Chavez that it once created a barter currency as part of an experiment in socialist economics.

Yet the lives of small farmers in the hills around Urachiche who grow beans, corn and coffee have steadily worsened during Venezuela's economic crisis.

Carlos Pineda, 30, used to transport his wares to market on his truck, but fuel shortages now force him to walk for hours to town carrying 50 kilo (110 pound) sacks on his back.

Mules are also sometimes available to transport goods but residents battling hunger have in many cases been forced to eat the animals.

"Some people do it on mules, but there aren't many animals left: they've eaten them," said Pineda, sitting in Urachiche's main plaza as he prepared to sell a sack of black beans he had hauled down from the mountains.

Access to electricity, running water and fuel have steadily deteriorated in rural Venezuela in recent years as the government prioritizes urban areas such as Caracas, the capital, particularly after a massive weeks-long blackout in 2019.

"They've forgotten about us. No gas, water, food and now no power either," said Maria Mendoza, 38, a merchant, who said she no longer plans to vote for "the process" - a catch phrase sometimes used to describe the Socialist Party.

The Sept. 22 march organized by Hidalgo, the Urachiche activist, went largely unnoticed in a country accustomed to seeing angry citizens in the streets.

But within days, videos on social media showed clashes between security forces in nearby towns, some of which featured what appeared to be gunshots as well as demonstrators bloodied by repeated volleys of rubber bullets.

From Sept. 22 to Sept. 30, 701 protests broke out across the country, non-profit group Venezuelan Observatory of Social Conflict said in a report released last week.

Authorities responded by arresting 35 people in Yaracuy and at least 50 nationwide, according to rights groups.

Police arrested Dagni Salcedo, 19, a motorcycle delivery man in the town of Yaritagua, according to his mother Sullehil Rodriguez, who says they grabbed him as he was finishing a delivery, put a hood over his head and threatened to shoot him.

"My son is beaten. He's a worker - you can ask any of the neighbors," Rodriguez said outside the police compound where he is being held. She travels 58 km (36 miles) each day to take meals to her son, who recently recovered from COVID-19.

"It's no secret that there's no gas, water, food or power."

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN26X21W
 
Its a flaw of Communism that power ends up centrally located in few hands and they end up not willing to let it go.. Including sinking their country while they're doing it. Also, it requires citizens to forcibly contribute to the "State", whether they want to or not... Sometimes at the end of the rifle...
Yes but you have other terrible dictatorships such as Saudi Arabia that aren't as stupid. They have an absolutist king, he is much more powerful and entrenched than Maduro but he realized it wasn't a good idea to fight against the US, or China or the USSR for that matter.
They fucking behead you if you insult Islam, convert to another religion or just annoy MBS.
Saudi Arabia also did nationalize their oil, and they have a huge welfare system where most citizens didn't ever work.
They're not that different from Venezuela except their rhetoric is Islamic instead of Marxist.
If Chavez had negotiated his own petrodollar deal with the US he would be now considered a genius statesman and liberals in the west would be claiming how Real Communism Works.
 
Legislative election leaves Venezuela in political standoff



CARACAS, Venezuela -- President Nicolás Maduro has cemented formal control over all major institutions of power in Venezuela with authorities reporting Monday that his political alliance easily won a majority in congress. Yet he remains a pariah to much of the world following an election critics called deeply undemocratic.

Maduro’s domestic adversaries, however, are also scrambling to assert their own relevance after boycotting elections for the National Assembly that has been their stronghold for five years.

Opposition groups led by Juan Guaidó launched a risky referendum on Monday, betting some of their prestige on hopes they hope can reignite a campaign to oust Maduro in a nation suffering unprecedented economic and political crises that have spurred millions to flee abroad.

And both sides are waiting to see what happens in Washington as President-elect Joe Biden takes office next month, replacing a Trump administration that piled sanctions atop criminal charges atop embargoes in so-far unsuccessful attempts to drive Maduro from power.

While Biden has referred to Maduro as “a dictator,” he and aides have made few detailed statements about how they will approach the crisis in Venezuela.

“Both the Guaidó interim government and the de facto Maduro regime have failed to deliver on their promises and produce results,” said Michael Shifter, president of the Washington-based Inter-American Dialogue. “The distrust is almost total, and with good reason.”

Just 31% of Venezuelans eligible voters voted Sunday, according to Venezuelan electoral officials loyal to Maduro. Authorities said that his United Socialist Party of Venezuela and allied parties captured 67% of seats in the National Assembly. Turnout for the previous congressional election in 2015 was more than double that percentage.

“The results of the election show a discouraged, tired people, the vast majority doing everything possible to survive,” Shifter said.

The National Assembly has been the last major government institution held by the opposition, though Maduro loyalists in the courts and other institutions had largely sidelined the legislature by rejecting its decisions and unseating senior figures there.

Guaidó's leadership of congress won him recognition as Venezuela's legitimate president from the U.S. and scores of other countries that considered Maduro's own most recent election invalid. But the National Assembly's term expires Jan. 5.

The U.S., Panama, Canada and Germany have repeated their condemnation of the the election by Maduro's government following announcement of the results.

In a statement, European Union foreign ministers said Monday the vote “failed to comply with the minimum international standards for a credible process and to mobilize the Venezuelan people to participate.”

“Venezuela urgently needs a political solution to end the current impasse and to allow for the delivery of the urgently required humanitarian assistance to its people,” the UE and European Council said.

More than 5 million people have fled the country in recent years, the world’s largest migration after that of war-torn Syria. The International Monetary Fund projects a 25% decline this year in Venezuela’s GDP, while hyperinflation has devoured its currency, the bolivar, now worth less than a millionth of a dollar on the free market.

The opposition boycotted the election after a Supreme Court ruling this year appointing a new election commission, including three members who have been sanctioned by the U.S. and Canada, without participation of the opposition-led congress, as the law requires.

The court also removed the leadership of three opposition parties — including Guaidó’s — appointing new leaders the opposition accuses of conspiring to support Maduro.

Maduro's son and wife were among candidates winning a seat in congress. Campaigning for them, Maduro promised to finally silence the right-wing opposition, which he accuses of inciting violent street protests and inviting U.S. sanctions.

Guaidó’s opposition movement is holding its own referendum that started Monday with a form of voting by cellphone app and concludes Saturday with in-person balloting.

It asks Venezuelans whether they want to end Maduro’s “usurpation of the presidency" and hold new presidential elections.

“Although I cannot promise a magic solution today, I can tell you with certainty and security: You are not alone. We will not give up,” Guaidó said in a Sunday video message. “We are going to give everything until we win.”

Maduro, the hand-picked successor to the late President Hugo Chávez, won a second term in 2018 in a vote that domestic and foreign critics allege was rigged. His most popular challengers were banned.

The Trump administration and other countries have said they will continue to back Guaidó in the absence of what they consider fair elections.

Washington has hit Maduro and his political allies with sanctions, and the U.S. Justice Department has indicted Maduro as a “narcoterrorist,” offering a $15 million reward for his arrest. The U.S. has banned financial dealings with the government, choking off much of its petroleum industry.

Eric Farnsworth, vice president of the Washington-based Council of the Americas and Americas Society think tank, said it could take months before Biden's administration establishes its policy toward Venezuela.

And with Guaidó's congressional term ending, along with legal immunity granted sitting congressmen, he is exposed to the possibility of being arrested by Maduro's government, Farnsworth said.

“You have a country that’s embarked on the full path of dictatorship," Farnsworth said. "The international community now has to decide whether it wants to live with that or restore the democratic path for Venezuela. Those options seem to be narrowing.”

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Internat...wait-results-boycotted-congress-vote-74577392
 
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