Usman on colby's takedown, Next opponent, Khazmat

[NickDiaz]

Usman = WW GOAT

 

[spinitch]

Colby lost, got stuffed in TD mostly and ate shots in his attempts. Still the TDs attempts were reasonable game plan. Dragged Usman into more endurance sapping his KO explosiveness. Kept Usman guessing. Let Colby avoid heavy shots. Colby does not tire easy, impressive endurance. The fence is there and hard to not grab it a little when pressed there since can not sprawl. It is a trivial stat. TDs with no effectiveness offer minor control consideration. Again Colby still benefited trying but not in scoring .

 

[Paynebringer]

Everyone going into full shill mode to protect a statistic because the UFC wants to use it as a selling point.

No one cares it if amounted to something or not. It's the fact that it either happened, or it didn't. But it did happen.

But I guess the Usman fangirls want to keep gushing over this stat, so they refuse to admit it no longer exists.

And Colby nugget holders want so bad to give Colby the praise of 1st ever to take Usman down rather than accepting the UFC well established rules of a pointed TD. TD & Control which means time in that applied TD while no longer on the soles of his feet, where you see time in those knee drops..?

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

who cares if the stats say takedown or not? judges dont get a stat sheet

 

[thewhiterooster]

Khamzat could do what Jones did and just take the title with no set up. It's ridiculous that the other fighters are turning him down so we have to wait for his inevitable championship fight. Edwards and Luque ? You have to be kidding me if we're going to have to wait for those 2 to get Usman vs Khamzat. Iron is hot so let it go!

shouldn't khamzat at least get a W in the top ten before getting a title shot?

 

[Outsider524]

From what I remember Colby got in deep on many attempts and still got defended by Usman. And the one yall are talking about as far as being a fence grab. Was at the lower end of fence grabs violations in my book. Basically Colbys strongest skill got null and voided which is why we don't need to see another fight. Because both their striking is garbage but Usman is bit better on his feet.

 

[Do better]

The outcome was a clear 10-9 for Usman. If there is moral victory in counting that as a takedown, feel free to do so. It dominated the narrative for too much of the round, as it amounted to nothing; which was entirely my point and is completely relevant since it was 2 seconds of a 5 minute round. No “goal posts” were moved because I never said it wasn’t a takedown. You made that up.

Why would it be a moral victory for me? I wasn't in the cage, the fighters were. You are making more out of my accurate response than necessary, the same way you did about the commentators talking about the take down. Who cares if they talk about it, did they say Colby won? The fact that it was a takedown, matters considering Usmans 100% defense rate. Nobody contested who won the round or fight.

 

[markg171]

Colby lost, got stuffed in TD mostly and ate shots in his attempts. Still the TDs attempts were reasonable game plan. Dragged Usman into more endurance sapping his KO explosiveness. Kept Usman guessing. Let Colby avoid heavy shots. Colby does not tire easy, impressive endurance. The fence is there and hard to not grab it a little when pressed there since can not sprawl. It is a trivial stat. TDs with no effectiveness offer minor control consideration. Again Colby still benefited trying but not in scoring .

From what I remember Colby got in deep on many attempts and still got defended by Usman. And the one yall are talking about as far as being a fence grab. Was at the lower end of fence grabs violations in my book. Basically Colbys strongest skill got null and voided which is why we don't need to see another fight. Because both their striking is garbage but Usman is bit better on his feet.

It wasn't a small fence grab. It instantly and blatantly stopped Usman from being tossed by Covington, keeping him on one knee, which helped in getting him get back to his feet, instead of on his stomach with 8 seconds left like he would've been without it.

 

[Coconutwater]

It wasn't a small fence grab. It instantly and blatantly stopped Usman from being tossed by Covington, keeping him on one knee, which helped in getting him get back to his feet, instead of on his stomach with 8 seconds left like he would've been without it.

I see it differently. I see someone pitching their weight forward and Colby whipping his own body around (like turning a corner) to get the takedown. There is nothing wrong with heading to the fence, to use it as a tripod, that’s the game. It’s literally cheating if he clenches the fence with his fingers, and even then, reaching for stability is normal. We all know what grabbing a fence looks like, you literally see the fence WARP from the grab.

 

[mikesparrow]

Khamzat is the new Johnny walker. Lots of hype. When he gets to higher comp, he will flounder

It's not the case. The way he dominates and crash everybody is a clear indicator of how good of a fighter he is. There has never been a fighter like him before. Did Magnu destroy Li the same way Khamzat did? Or any other of his previous opponents? It's the same way Khabib was showing the dominance. The look in the eyes of his opponents when they're hopeless on the ground..

 

[BJ@LW&WW]

he may have been taken down by wrestling criteria.

but they were in an mma fight. do fighters get 4 points for mounting? 4 points for back takes? ippons for throws? automatic round points for knockdowns?

No. mma has its own rules. they are typically much more subjective than the rulesets of individual martial arts, but i would argue most judges would not award "points" for making ones opponents butt instantaneously tap the ground with no consequence.

 

[Beastslayer47]

Love Usman but he avoided talking about Khamzat there

 

[Dionysian]

That’s the official # of takedown attempts recorded by the UFC. Here’s a video of every takedown Usman defended. Colby got completely outclassed in the wrestling department.

Cool thanks, was hoping there was a video. I counted 8 Colby TD attempts in that vid, but the editing is a little unclear. Surprised UFC counted some of the times they just clinched as being a TD attempt.

Do you know how many Kamaru tried for? I tried getting it off ufcstats.com but had no luck. Obviously he got one (in that vid) but I'm curious what his total was. Regardless, obviously Kamaru won the wrestling but I'm curious if he only tried for the one in the whole fight.

 

[Queenofchaos]

I was rooting for Colby, so know that it's not like I'm biased in my response here.

By wrestling rules, that was a takedown. By most (if not all) submission grappling rulesets it was not. It makes a lot more sense for MMA to use submission grappling rules for what constitutes a takedown.

It is a takedown in UFC too

 

[OmegaRugal]

Usman was sure quick to respond to unranked Nate Diaz tho!

Khamzat is the biggest money fight in the division (as far as ranked fighters), and has an incredible amount of hype behind him. Why not accept?

Easy money fight vs tough money fight.

Also if Usman beats Khazmat now ... u KNOW people will say it was an easy win because Khazmat was overhyped. U know it.

Good money for sure but big risk for little legacy reward.

 

[Canned Tuna]

It is a takedown in UFC too

Showing pictures instead of video clips makes that video nearly worthless imo. What it takes to establish control is obviously highly subjective. I'd be in favor of not counting any of the ones mentioned in the video.

The reason takedown isn't defined often in MMA rules is because it isn't really relevant to MMA rules. There is no point scoring system that awards points for a takedown. There is no need to have it defined in the rules. It's a fan stat.

 

[Topher]

You know a guy is a great fighter when people dwell on little things like him being taken down for a second...reminds of Khabib/Tibau. People aren't used to Khabib being taken down or stuffed for once so they over analyze it.

Agreed but Khabib actually struggled in that fight and media outlets even had him losing it. He even says he had a really hard time with that guy. Didn’t Conor pretty much get a takedown on or close enough to it not getting counted. Khabib but wasn’t nearly as good back then as AKA Khabib especially post Johnson.

Reminds me more like when Machida had hit Jones once yet he was completely obliterated and still lost the first round only landing like 5 strikes. Yet all you heard about was how Machida landed that strike and it was made out to be much much more than it was. I guess when title that dominate being down for a second or getting caught on the end of a punch gives people something to dwell on.

 

[I.Broke.The.Bat!]

Yep...anything that doesn't do any damage is BS...this isn't figure skating.

please let us wrestlers talk about td and go back to your monster can...

 

[campbecc]

please let us wrestlers talk about td and go back to your monster can...

No one said it's not a takedown in wrestling but it isn't one in MMA at least not since the rules were changed a few years ago and they clarified what a takedown is in MMA:

”It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown"

Do you think Colby established an attack while Usman was on his knees? So no it was not a takedown in MMA, the fact it would be in wrestling doesn't change anything the rules and scoring are completely different.

 

[JonJonesNeedle]

Colby took Usman down, but I guess UFC's criteria for a official takedown is something like "take them down and hold and advantageous position for a certain amount of time".
In that aspect I guess they don't consider it an official takedown.