US Senator Black publicly claims MI6 planning false flag chemical attack

The West, more specifically the US, has already bombed Assad in the past claiming he used Chemical weapons. And now they are setting up the rationale to do so again.
That isn't what has been predicted. You guys have predicted invasions, and you also lost-- in spectacular fashion-- any debates surrounding material evidence indicating who was behind the attacks.

I remember when you weren't stupid. When did you start buying into this shit?
No, you didn't do any research. You were a gullible idiot who shilled Russian propaganda on the reputation of a single journalist who wouldn't substantiate or cite his anonymous sources. You made up your mind having done almost no reading whatsoever, and you have maintained that confirmation bias ever since. I educated you, at extraordinary length, on these lies:
Yet you continue to refuse to believe that consensus across all nations and spheres of analysis (private or public, government or humanitarian, groups or individuals) in favor of the narratives of only those aligned with Assad. Your inability to discern the truth speaks to an alarming lack of capability to comprehend multiple points of data, and to critically think.
Can't believe how many times we have to go over all of this.

Russians have been caught with their pants down over and over and over fabricating and staging their "evidence" when the purpose of that "evidence" was precisely to accuse the west of fabricating evidence. Think about that.

Their claims of propaganda have all themselves turned out to be propaganda.
 
Now show your true colors, and call Gabbard a hack too.

She is a hack.

The only thing you've proved in this thread is that you don't know the difference between a US Senator and a state Senator (who likely has no access to any classified or sensitive information and is therefore just speculating).
 
This isn't a court of law. There is no heresay requirement in the public sphere.

You need a conspiracy to explain why 2 very different people, from two very different parties, are saying the same thing when they both have access to more info then you or me.

what information do you think a VIRGINIA state senator (as in a senator in the states' legislature not the US Senate) has access to? Dick Black is not a US Senator. Virginia's US Senators are Tim Kaine and Mark Warner.
 
what information do you think a VIRGINIA state senator (as in a senator in the states' legislature not the US Senate) has access to? Dick Black is not a US Senator. Virginia's US Senators are Tim Kaine and Mark Warner.

The access to everything the Syrian government, or Russian government has, after meeting with Assad.
 
She is a hack.

The only thing you've proved in this thread is that you don't know the difference between a US Senator and a state Senator (who likely has no access to any classified or sensitive information and is therefore just speculating).

Say it louder. Wether you are a republican or Democrat, you turn on your own as soon as they don't toe the party line.

Democrats and Republicans are a cult.
 
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I definitely feel that Assad is a good source for what MI6 might be doing. I also can't think why Assad would want to be placing the blames for chemical attacks on other parties.

I did find the timing of the chemical attacks in Syria fishy, but I'm going to need a way better source than random US Senator who heard it from Assad.

A bigger question here is why a U.S. Senator would risk his reputation just to make up some bullshit about a U.S. ally? Why would he do that?
 
But, yes, my "true colors" are that I'm not a conspiracy-obsessed person who bites down on narratives without any factual support. I have twice now asked you to provide any factual support - besides the unqualified suspicions of persons you believe to be honorable - and you have refused.

Well that's kinda the point of false flags....they don't allow you to have any sources or "factual support". That's why they work.
 
John McCain met with the rebels, so why should our elected officials meet with the other side? We shouldn't let our establishment dictate who we should hate and unquestionably support any foreign policy the government takes. Our elected reps going against the grain and rebelling is a good thing. That is 1 reason a lot of people voted for Trump, seeing him as rebelling against the entrenched order.
How about anyone not hanging with murderous groups and leaders?
 
Lying and falso flag are common practices of Uncle Sam. See Iraq and Libya for recent examples.

And Vietnam, and WWI, and WWII, and the Spanish American War. They've been using these methods for at least 100 years.
 
A bigger question here is why a U.S. Senator would risk his reputation just to make up some bullshit about a U.S. ally? Why would he do that?
He's a local politician. Not even a real senator. He has no security clearance.
 
He's a local politician. Not even a real senator. He has no security clearance.

My apologies, I thought we were referring to a member of the U.S. Senate. Even so, seems odd to just randomly start making shit up. What does he have to gain?
 
"7% of Moderates are Extremist" John McCain(2013)

Reuters) - U.S. Senator John McCain said on Wednesday, two days after meeting with rebels in Syria, that he is confident the United States can send weapons to fighters in Syria without the risk they will fall into the wrong hands.

"We can identify who these people are. We can help the right people," McCain said on CNN's program "Anderson Cooper 360."

McCain, a Republican, is an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has angrily denounced Democratic President Barack Obama - McCain's opponent in his failed 2008 presidential race - for shying away from deeper U.S. involvement in the conflict, which has claimed 80,000 lives.

Critics of some lawmakers' push to arm the rebels have expressed concerns that weapons could end up in the hands of militants who might eventually end up using them against the United States or its allies.

But McCain said such radical fighters make up only a small part of the rebels forces.

For example, he said, Syria's Islamist al-Nusra Front, identified as an alias of al Qaeda in Iraq, accounts for only about 7,000 of the 100,000 fighters battling the government of Assad.

"Every single day, more and more extremists flow in... "They're flowing in all the time, these extremists. But they still do not make up a sizeable portion," the Arizona senator said.

The Obama administration, saying it is keeping all options on the table, has sent food and medical supplies to Assad's opponents. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov also have been trying to organize an international peace conference on Syria.

McCain said he was escorted during his visit on Monday by General Salem Idris, leader of the Supreme Military Council of the Free Syrian Army, and that he had a long meeting with Idris and a group of his battalion commanders.

"They're very disturbed about the dramatic influx of Hezbollah fighters, more Iranians and of course stepped up activities of Bashar Assad," McCain said.

U.S. public opinion is strongly against direct military involvement in Syria, but McCain said no one, including Idris and his commanders, wants American "boots on the ground."

However, he said the rebel forces made clear they want U.S. weapons. "Their message was ... They do not understand. They do not understand why we won't help them," McCain said.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBRE94T02W20130530
 
John Kerry and John McCain tried their damndest to get Obama to fund a full scale war against Syria- based solely on the lobbying efforts of a 26 year old lying bitch.

Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy, Syria expert, made quite an impression on Senator John McCain. During Senate hearings, the former Presidential candidate quoted at length from her recent Wall Street Journal op-ed painting a rosy picture of a mostly secular, pro-Western anti-Assad insurgency.

“John, do you agree with Dr. O’Bagy’s assessment of the opposition?,” the Senator asked the Secretary of State John Kerry. “I agree with most of that,” he replied.

Except Dr. O’Bagy wasn’t actually a doctor. Her PhD was fabricated, a lie she told her employers at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), an influential neoconservative-aligned think tank, to get hired. Ironically, it ended up being the lie that got her fired Wednesday. This postmodern reenactment of the Icarus myth also provides a bizarrely informative window into the way that Washington’s foreign policy sausage gets made.


O’Bagy got her start last year, when she interned for ISW’s Iraq portfolio while completing a Master’s in Arab Studies at Georgetown University. Kimberly Kagan, the President of ISW, was so impressed that she hired O’Bagy to start even before the young analyst finished her degree. “Her insights and her [Arabic] linguistic skills were tremendous,” Kagan said.

But O’Bagy had already begun to misrepresent her credentials. Kagan told me that she “knew [O’Bagy] was a student at Georgetown in a combined masters/PhD program,” and that new hire was writing a dissertation on “female militancy in Islamic extremist organizations.” Several media outlets have repeated this account as fact in their write-ups of O’Bagy’s firing, all maintaining that she is still in the process of completing a Georgetown doctorate.

This is almost certainly false. Either O’Bagy was at one point enrolled a PhD program and dropped out, or she has been lying the entire time. Some evidence points to the latter.

To begin with, O’Bagy was enrolled in the Arab Studies Master’s program, which only partners with three departments for joint doctorate programs: Government, History, and Arabic Language, Literature, and Linguistics. Given her purported topic, she would have partnered with Government — according to one Georgetown PhD student who met O’Bagy, she had claimed a distinguished member of the Government Department as her adviser.

She is not listed as a PhD student on the Government department’s website. She does not exist in the university directory. A search of the entire Georgetown website turns up only one hit, a congratulations notice for her Master’s graduation.

There is “no evidence that she is associated with our department in any way; she’s not among our students as far as we can tell,” Daniel Nexon, a Government Professor who served as the Director of Admissions and Fellowships for all but one of the years she could have applied. The professor who was supposedly advising O’Bagy’s dissertation has never heard of her.

When I asked Kagan about the evidence of O’Bagy’s initial, ongoing deception, she demurred. “That I actually need to refer you to Georgetown for.”

After ISW hired her in the late summer of 2012, O’Bagy quickly went about using her top-notch Arabic skills to feel out the situation on the ground in Syria. She made a number of contacts among the anti-Assad insurgents, a feat relatively few DC analysts had accomplished.

Though we know those trips took place, it’s not quite clear who funded them. It certainly wasn’t ISW: when I asked Kagan how O’Bagy made all her Syrian friends, she sounded stumped. “That’s a really good question. I’m afraid I can’t really tell you that,” the ISW President said, acknowledging that O’Bagy’s expertise wasn’t gathered through ISW projects or ISW-funded trips. “She kept me informed about [her opposition contacts] and apprised me that they existed.”

However O’Bagy acquired her contacts, the work they helped her produce was influential and widely respected. Over the course of roughly a year, she went from a graduate student and intern to a pundit making regular appearances on Fox Newsand being published in Foreign Policy, The Atlantic, and well, The Wall Street Journal. She was promoted to Senior Analyst and then to Syria Team Lead at ISW, and had become known as a go-to expert on the Syrian rebels among foreign policy experts.

But the closer Icarus flew to the sun, the faster the wax on her feathers began to melt. The first hard record of her claiming a doctorate came in April 2013, when she told a friend, Jonathan Rue, that she was “soon to be Dr. O’Bagy.” According to Kagan, she began widely claiming the Dr. title in May, right around when she graduated from her Master’s program.

That’s also when she took on a second position as the Political Director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF), a pro-Syrian rebel lobbying group that identified her as “Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy.” It’s in that capacity when she and Senator McCain likely first came into direct or indirect contact, as SETF assisted in planning the Senator’s secret trip to Syria.

The implicit tension between O’Bagy’s prominent public role and her fake credentials became unbearable after McCain and Kerry touted her work in the closely watched hearings on Congressional authorization for war in Syria. But weirdly, the first questions raised about O’Bagy weren’t because of anything she did wrong personally. The Journal op-ed cited by Kerry and McCain did not identify O’Bagy’s role at SETF, relevant information for readers of a piece that paints a picture of the Syrian opposition as relatively moderate.

The Journal’s mistake (which it later corrected) led to more intense scrutiny of O’Bagy’s past. The Daily Caller, which first broke the Journal’s omission on September 5th, did a follow-up on September 9th in which O’Bagy claimed to have written her dissertation.

More importantly, September 9th was also the day that a discussion broke out amongst a group of scholars about O’Bagy’s purported Georgetown credentials. Records obtained by ThinkProgress show a conversation, which included members of the Georgetown faculty, in which a number of academics expressed deep skepticism about O’Bagy’s Ph.D. Near the end of the conversation, one participant mentioned that “ISW was contacted” with the group’s concerns.

Just days before, on September 4th, ISW’s website had described her as “Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy.” I confirmed with Kagan that O’Bagy had not updated the bio herself, indicating that ISW support staff had been notified of the purported change in O’Bagy’s status. By late on the 9th, the Dr. reference had been deleted, and O’Bagy had been dismissed — a move that was announced on the morning of the 10th.

Kagan credits O’Bagy with finally turning herself in. “I think the most important thing that I need to tell you is that Elizabeth told me [on the 9th] that she had not successfully defended her dissertation.” It’s not clear what finally prompted her to do that. I asked Kagan to forward a request for comment to O’Bagy but, as of yet, have heard nothing. I probably won’t: O’Bagy told Buzzfeed that she is “no longer legally allowed to discuss my employment with [ISW] or affiliate it any way.” So there’s a decent chance we’ll never know the whole story.

Regardless, O’Bagy’s rise and fall is yet more evidence that the talented people who populate America’s media and policy apparatus never seem to quite fully internalize: never, ever lie about something someone else can prove you wrong about. You’re going to get caught.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkp...d-hijacked-the-syria-debate-e0cef38fcf93/amp/

McCain hired her immediately after she got fired. And she hasn't spoken publicly since. Been off the grid for 5 years now, probably in a vat of acid for knowing too much.
 
White Helmets stealing children for 'chemical attack' theater in Idlib

“Leave our children in peace. Let our children play, stop ‘playing’ with our children.” These are the words of a mother whose child was stolen and is being imprisoned in Idlib by terrorist groups and the White Helmets....

“Ten days ago, a woman came to see me. She had just arrived from Idlib. She showed me a photo of Ahmed and confirmed he is still alive but imprisoned with many other children. She told me that the White Helmets move the children from place to place depending upon where the attacks might be staged. They are kept in prisons all the time. I worry so much that he is sick or scared and he can’t speak. I am convinced I will see Ahmed’s face in one of these chemical attack videos or reports,” said Wafaa....
 
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