Urine Trouble (Mueller Thread v. 16)

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this novartis shit alone would have been a huge scandal another time. This alone would be a mess for any politician. Is anyone in any position of power going to investigate? Anyone?
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method115 said:
This is just how people are they like to pretend it's normal to get paid half a million for speeches and that there is nothing suspicious about it. When the other guy does it though "WTF?!?!?". Cohen should have said he just goes and gives speeches at these places that's what they always say to let this sort of shit slide.
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I think you are being a bit disingenuous here. Granted I do not object with your overall premise just in the way you are presenting it. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton were paid to give speeches, just like every other President before them and after them, no one is denying that but they did so after their time in office. What is being done here is buying influence of a current administration. The opaqueness of the transaction shows a contempt for the American Public.
 
SBJJ said:
Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.

Lol. See what I mean. It's like u don't even realize u do it. She even had to return actual donations!

And that was HER foundation! The only difference I see here is that Trump MIGHT not know this was going on

Man. How does 1 get so partisan to just not even care how hypocritical they look
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Clinton Foundation is a registered Non Profit. As far as know Hillary, Bill and Chelsea never received a salary or income from it.

It's also a well known Non Profit that does actual work.

Cohen is receiving payments in an unknown LLC setup to payoff a chick to sleep with Trump.

Only a partisan would equate the 2
 
method115 said:
Serious question as I don't know the law regarding this kind of stuff but is it illegal to do this?
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That depends on the intent.

18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses

Whoever—
value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent—
official act; or
public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;
public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
official act;
United States; or
person
 
PolishHeadlock said:
Clinton Foundation is a registered Non Profit. As far as know Hillary, Bill and Chelsea never received a salary or income from it.

It's also a well known Non Profit that does actual work.

Cohen is receiving payments in an unknown LLC setup to payoff a chick to sleep with Trump.

Only a partisan would equate the 2
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AND the Republicans who control Congress have not looked into corruption or bribery with money donated to the Clinton Foundation, that in itself is pretty telling that there is nothing to see and that the Conservative media likes to use the Clinton Foundation as the BUT BUT argument when discussing these types of stories.
 
Ophydian said:
That depends on the intent.

18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses

Whoever—
value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent—
official act; or
public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;
public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
official act;
United States; or
person
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God this is horrible format conversion but I am not fixing it, enjoy the migraine if you try to read it.
 
PolishHeadlock said:
Clinton Foundation is a registered Non Profit. As far as know Hillary, Bill and Chelsea never received a salary or income from it.

It's also a well known Non Profit that does actual work.

Cohen is receiving payments in an unknown LLC setup to payoff a chick to sleep with Trump.

Only a partisan would equate the 2
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Wait. We know the money paid off Stormy. Now u are making stuff up to try to win an argument

Google Biden and Kerrys sons

Only a partisan would ignore it done on 1 side and not another. I just said Trump should be impeached if he knew about this. Yet u are pathetically trying to argue for 1 side that has done the same thing. But I'm used to it with posters like u

Hillary Clinton and the foundation had to give back money. I don't care if she didn't get a salary. Her name is on it. And while it did work it was one of the WORST charities when it came to money not actually going to those that needed it

Don't even start with Bidens son and China.

Fuck off with calling me a partisan when it's clear u are 100% one.


LOFL!! I'm a partisan who just said Trump should be impeached if he knew this. Just have to laugh at u at this point. I mean, u straight out look like a fool

Even though this is likely legal I still believe a suiting president should be thrown out of office and u are calling me a partisan. U are at this point trolling
 
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Ophydian said:
AND the Republicans who control Congress have not looked into corruption or bribery with money donated to the Clinton Foundation, that in itself is pretty telling that there is nothing to see and that the Conservative media likes to use the Clinton Foundation as the BUT BUT argument when discussing these types of stories.
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That don't have jurisdiction over it. Lol
 
SBJJ said:
Wait. We know the money paid off Stormy. Now u are making stuff up to try to win an argument

Google Biden and Kerrys sons

Only a partisan would ignore it done on 1 side and not another. I just said Trump should be impeached if he knew about this. Yet u are pathetically trying to argue for 1 side that has done the same thing. But I'm used to it with posters like u

Hillary Clinton and the foundation had to give back money. I don't care if she didn't get a salary. Her name is on it. And while it did work it was one of the WORST charities when it came to money not actually going to those that needed it

Don't even start with Bidens son and China.

Fuck off with calling me a partisan when it's clear u are 100% one.
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The LLC was setup to make the payment to Stormy. We know that for a fact. It appears after that it was just acting as a slush fund.

So you're tucking our dick on Clinton and bringing up Biden and Kerry. How about we stick to the Clinton Foundation and you explain how that was bad. After you fail to do that we can move onto other Dems.
 
PolishHeadlock said:
The LLC was setup to make the payment to Stormy. We know that for a fact. It appears after that it was just acting as a slush fund.

So you're tucking our dick on Clinton and bringing up Biden and Kerry. How about we stick to the Clinton Foundation and you explain how that was bad. After you fail to do that we can move onto other Dems.
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Please post your proof the LLC was set up to pay off Stormy and that any money from Russians etc paid off Stormy

Lol. The Clinton foundation had to return money! Saudis were giving money to get access to the Clintons. RUSSIANS were giving money to get access to the Clintons!

Lol at u straight out punking yourself on this. Would u like me to post 3 pages of articles about the Foundation. U really are a huge hypocrite

The Foundation was not breaking the law except the money they refunded. But neither is the LLC

the difference between u and I is I hold both sides accountable for this shit while u are a troll for 1 side

Seriously, just laugh out FUCKING loud at u calling a guy a partisan when that guy just said Trump should be impeached if he knew about it

Think about it! I went further than the leftists in this thread by saying Trump should be impeached if he knew about this. But u call me a partisan.

You are a troll
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...equity-firm-run-by-kerry-and-bidens-kids/amp/

This shit is bad!

The fact politicians get around just taking bribes by enriching their families, friends, Charities is BS

It's time the WR stop being a bunch of hypocrites and denounce all of it. Both sides.

If Trump has to fall on this to get it started so be it. It's fucking disgusting.

Mitch McConnell son did the same shit.

But if u can't call out this disgusting shit on both sides u are a hypocrite
 
SBJJ said:
Please post your proof the LLC was set up to pay off Stormy and that any money from Russians etc paid off Stormy
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I never said Russian money was used. I said the LLC was set up to pay her. After that all these other entities started depositing money to Cohen for things he's not qualified to do.

http://time.com/5271000/michael-cohen-essential-consultants-novartis-vekselberg-att/

He set it up in October of 2016 and made the payment to Stormy's lawyer 2 weeks later.

I'll get to the rest later, gotta run to a meeting.
 
"But"ism and false equivalencies
don't somehow vindicate Trump.

We could talk about the current state of things, but when you know that isn't going to go in your favor, engage in "but"ism and do your best to deflect.

Aaaannnnddddd....go!
 
SBJJ said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...equity-firm-run-by-kerry-and-bidens-kids/amp/

This shit is bad!

The fact politicians get around just taking bribes by enriching their families, friends, Charities is BS

It's time the WR stop being a bunch of hypocrites and denounce all of it. Both sides.

If Trump has to fall on this to get it started so be it. It's fucking disgusting.

Mitch McConnell son did the same shit.

But if u can't call out this disgusting shit on both sides u are a hypocrite
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I've said it before, Trump will put an end to the corruption that has been plaguing Washington

starting with his own
 
PolishHeadlock said:
I never said Russian money was used. I said the LLC was set up to pay her. After that all these other entities started depositing money to Cohen for things he's not qualified to do.

http://time.com/5271000/michael-cohen-essential-consultants-novartis-vekselberg-att/

He set it up in October of 2016 and made the payment to Stormy's lawyer 2 weeks later.

I'll get to the rest later, gotta run to a meeting.
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Lol. The rest later. Like its a game

Dude, if u are willing to argue for Dems doing the exact same shit there really is nothing to discuss

And the fact u called a dude a partisan after he called for impeachment says it all.
 
afrdzak said:
"But"ism and false equivalencies
don't somehow vindicate Trump.

We could talk about the current state of things, but when you know that isn't going to go in your favor, engage in "but"ism and do your best to deflect.

Aaaannnnddddd....go!
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That's really weird. It needs to be stopped on both sides are it will never stop

U do understand this is legal, right? So how do u stop it if u don't change it
 
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