Urine Trouble (Mueller Thread v. 16)

[HomerThompson]

So again homer, why was Halper trying to bait Page before the investigation ever started?

Who ordered this?

If what you said is true, Page was also an FBI asset. How could Halper bait someone he was already working with?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Actually he worked with the fbi.

Try to keep up homer.


“Department of Justice court records from 2015 have provided details about how Carter Page cooperated with FBI agents in exposing Russian spies working inside the United States.”

Frank Lucas worked with the FBI. He was instrumental in taking down the Lucas drug ring. What a patriot!

It's funny you fall back on Page being an informant, but don't seem to know the difference between a spy and an informant......

 

[HomerThompson]

Why was he baiting Page before the official investigation was opened?


Oh that’s right, he was a spy.

Actually he worked with the fbi.

Try to keep up homer.


“Department of Justice court records from 2015 have provided details about how Carter Page cooperated with FBI agents in exposing Russian spies working inside the United States.”

So again homer, why was Halper trying to bait Page before the investigation ever started?

Who ordered this?

If what you said is true, Page was also an FBI asset. How could Halper bait someone he was already working with?

 

[bobgeese]

So, if that's true, your narrative was even dumber. If Page was working with the FBI, how was he being set up by Halper? They would've been on the same team, dumb ass. Not to mention, he's not the problem for the Trump team. Their conduct is the problem, and their conduct is what Mueller is investigating.

All the false narratives and, "but..but..the Deep State!", won't save Trump and his flunkies when justice is finally served. All that's left is for him is to start going full authoritarian, which I expect to happen quite soon.


Also, I've yet to see any reporting that Page was an FBI asset.

Homer...


You’re claiming they started the investigation because of Papodopoulous.

When I showed you Halper was spying before that, I presented you with fact page helped the fbi in 2015.

Something must have changed if Halper was then ordered to go after page, before the downer info was ever reported.


So, direct question homer, who ordered Halper to bait page?

 

[bobgeese]

Frank Lucas worked with the FBI. He was instrumental in taking down the Lucas drug ring. What a patriot!

It's funny you fall back on Page being an informant, but don't seem to know the difference between a spy and an informant......

Read the post above. Someone had to have ordered Halper to bait page.

Who ordered it?

 

[HomerThompson]

Homer...


You’re claiming they started the investigation because of Papodopoulous.

When I showed you Halper was spying before that, I presented you with fact page helped the fbi in 2015.

Something must have changed if Halper was then ordered to go after page, before the downer info was ever reported.


So, direct question homer, who ordered Halper to bait page?

Read the post above. Someone had to have ordered Halper to bait page.

Who ordered it?

Page did.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

 

[waiguoren]

This appears to be good news. Horowitz seems to be a man of integrity. It seems likely he will give this thing a fair look.

 

[Darkballs]

Read the post above. Someone had to have ordered Halper to bait page.

Who ordered it?

And what the fuck is the relevance? Anyone can act as an informant, and anyone can "bait" information from anyone and turn it over to law enforcement. Assuming I had access to them, there would be nothing illegal or improper with my or anyone else approaching the trump administration and asking them about illegal activity. If i turned that over to law enforcement, still nothing illegal. Even if law enforcement knew that I was going to try and contact the administration and solicit incriminating information, and encouraged me to do so, still nothing illegal.

Is this getting through to you bob? Just because you keep mischaracterizing lawful actions as "baiting" or "spying" or mischaracterizing informants as "spies," does nothing to alter the legality of their actions.

So the question of who sent the informant(s) and why is irrelevant. Unless you're claiming that the informant's questioning or actions amounted to a "search" under the Constitution. Then you could argue against the admissibility of any evidence. But you haven't tried arguing that. And it would be a waste, because I'm sure the Mueller team had at least probable cause, considering the sheer amount of evidence and guilty please reported in the press.

Trump is just throwing out desperate partisan attacks and hope they stick. Even if the claim was true, that Obama himself directed the FBI to look into laws broken by the trump campaign, you still have no wrongdoing. And that's unlikely, since Obama was tripping over himself to NOT appear partisan during the election, even going so far to not comment on an active investigation due to threats from Republicans (mostly McConnel) that if the President so much mentioned an active law enforcement investigation, they would play the partisan card.

So bob, this is about the 35th time this has been brought up in this thread. And every time you dodge it, and rehash the same crap arguments. So tell us how an informant gathering information at the behest of law enforcement not proper?

This isn't a stunning rebuke you've argued bob. It's clear that you and the rest of the right wing media can't defend the charges against this administration, so rather than try, you attack law enforcement. Only problem is, you've done a shit job of it.

 

[Ophydian]

This appears to be good news. Horowitz seems to be a man of integrity. It seems likely he will give this thing a fair look.

Mueller was a man of integrity for conservatives until he started finding out Trump Campaign had ties to Russia then he became a traitor.

 

[waiguoren]

Mueller was a man of integrity for conservatives until he started finding out Trump Campaign had ties to Russia then he became a traitor.

I'd quibble with your use of the term "conservatives" (I think "Republicans" would make your statement stronger), but I do agree with the thrust of your response. Anyway, my point stands. Horowitz has a long track record of thorough investigation and does not appear to play sides.

 

[bobgeese]

And what the fuck is the relevance? Anyone can act as an informant, and anyone can "bait" information from anyone and turn it over to law enforcement. Assuming I had access to them, there would be nothing illegal or improper with my or anyone else approaching the trump administration and asking them about illegal activity. If i turned that over to law enforcement, still nothing illegal. Even if law enforcement knew that I was going to try and contact the administration and solicit incriminating information, and encouraged me to do so, still nothing illegal.

Is this getting through to you bob? Just because you keep mischaracterizing lawful actions as "baiting" or "spying" or mischaracterizing informants as "spies," does nothing to alter the legality of their actions.

So the question of who sent the informant(s) and why is irrelevant. Unless you're claiming that the informant's questioning or actions amounted to a "search" under the Constitution. Then you could argue against the admissibility of any evidence. But you haven't tried arguing that. And it would be a waste, because I'm sure the Mueller team had at least probable cause, considering the sheer amount of evidence and guilty please reported in the press.

Trump is just throwing out desperate partisan attacks and hope they stick. Even if the claim was true, that Obama himself directed the FBI to look into laws broken by the trump campaign, you still have no wrongdoing. And that's unlikely, since Obama was tripping over himself to NOT appear partisan during the election, even going so far to not comment on an active investigation due to threats from Republicans (mostly McConnel) that if the President so much mentioned an active law enforcement investigation, they would play the partisan card.

So bob, this is about the 35th time this has been brought up in this thread. And every time you dodge it, and rehash the same crap arguments. So tell us how an informant gathering information at the behest of law enforcement not proper?

This isn't a stunning rebuke you've argued bob. It's clear that you and the rest of the right wing media can't defend the charges against this administration, so rather than try, you attack law enforcement. Only problem is, you've done a shit job of it.

The claim is that the investigation into the trump campaign started because of Papodopoulous speaking to downer.

But now we’re finding out they were in fact looking into the trump campaign before that ever happened.


Is nobody else interested in who ordered this? Well it turns out now the IG will be looking into it.

 

[Ophydian]

I'd quibble with your use of the term "conservatives" (I think "Republicans" would make your statement stronger), but I do agree with the thrust of your response. Anyway, my point stands. Horowitz has a long track record of thorough investigation and does not appear to play sides.

I hope so. I’m more concerned with the truth than being right or wrong. This investigation is important and damn party affiliation.

 

[bobgeese]

Page did.

See homer, over and over again you have no answers. So you duck with what you think is a witty comment.

Unfortunately for you, both things I posted are true. Page did in fact cooperate with the fbi in 15. And now it comes out, before what the fbi claims as the start of the investigation, we find out a spy with a history of spying was baiting Page.

Someone ordered this. The IG will find out who it was.

 

[bobgeese]

I hope so. I’m more concerned with the truth than being right or wrong. This investigation is important and damn party affiliation.

If this is true, you should be concerned about the Halper story.

 

[waiguoren]

I agree with Dershowitz on his salient points here, but Abrams crushed him on selected minor points (e.g., Mueller's allegiances).

 

[Darkballs]

The claim is that the investigation into the trump campaign started because of Papodopoulous speaking to downer.

And the point is that this claim, even if true, is irrelevant. Even if you had video where Obama is looking directly into the camera and declaring that he's ordering the Justice Department to investigate Trump solely because Obama hates republicans, it would still be irrelevant in regards to whether or not that investigation was legal. Talking to people and relaying that information to law enforcement is not a "search" within the meaning of the Constitution.

Honestly bob, we're not quite sure what your argument is. Reports of illegal activity by the trump campaign were a matter of public record; the authority granted to the special prosecutor was legal; and the evidence of crimes was collected lawfully. So even if the motivation was to target trump for personal reasons (ignoring the fact that every law enforcement agency and intelligence agency reported efforts by foreign nationals to work with the trump campaign), it still wouldn't matter.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Read the post above. Someone had to have ordered Halper to bait page.

Who ordered it?

It seems like Page was making a lot of noise for himself, and got pinched. Rather obvious, for a non whore.

 

[bobgeese]

And the point is that this claim, even if true, is irrelevant. Even if you had video where Obama is looking directly into the camera and declaring that he's ordering the Justice Department to investigate Trump solely because Obama hates republicans, it would still be irrelevant in regards to whether or not that investigation was legal. Talking to people and relaying that information to law enforcement is not a "search" within the meaning of the Constitution.

Honestly bob, we're not quite sure what your argument is. Reports of illegal activity by the trump campaign were a matter of public record; the authority granted to the special prosecutor was legal; and the evidence of crimes was collected lawfully. So even if the motivation was to target trump for personal reasons (ignoring the fact that every law enforcement agency and intelligence agency reported efforts by foreign nationals to work with the trump campaign), it still wouldn't matter.

Well, if it makes you feel better, both Trump and Obama will walk.

 

[Ophydian]

If this is true, you should be concerned about the Halper story.

Bob I’m sorry but I’m going to call BS on the last few pages you’ve been harping the Halper angle. Halper was looked into already and 0 charges were filled. I haven’t looked into his CIA links as you say there are but Trump and the right wing media has not once accused the CIA as being a co-conspirator against his Campaign. How many different angles is Trump going to attack this? Soon we will hear the NSA was involved and I am sorry but I just don’t believe in some mythical deep state.

The best part in all of this is how easily your able to connect unverified and sometimes unconnected dots to accuse every major law enforcement agency of treason yet you won’t take facts of Russian connections with multiple guilty pleas and indictments and come to the conclusion that there is some next level shady shit going on with Trump.