Urine Trouble (Mueller Thread v. 16)

[SBJJ]

Do they need to have benefited? Because what really matters is that it's very possible they illegally paid for access to the President, regardless of how it turned out. Michael Cohen was not doing consultant work for them. He's not qualified, it seems, for much if not all of the "work" these various giant and important companies paid him lucratively for during this time. So it begs the question, what was he actually doing and how was the President involved? That money had to go somewhere. If literally a single solitary dollar of it went to Trump, I may just have to revise my hitherto ironclad supposition that he is basically impossible to impeach for a variety of reasons.

I don't care if no money went to Trump. If Trump knew Cohen was doing this I'm cool with him being impeaced

 

[SBJJ]

At least in Grant's case he was largely ignorant of what people were actually doing and how. He trusted the wrong dudes to run shit by proxy. The man was a fantastic general but not a good President and an even worse politician in general. He attracted a huge wake of greedy hangers on and was often too blind or naive to see what they were doing, or didn't understand it.

Has it been reported Trump knew Cohen was doing this?

 

[Limbo Pete]

I don't care if no money went to Trump. If Trump knew Cohen was doing this I'm cool with him being impeaced

I'd be cool with it, too, but it needs more for an actual impeachment to take place. Impeachment is extremely rare and hard to make happen in our political system. All of the circumstances have to be right regardless of who it is and even to an extent what they have done.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Has it been reported Trump knew Cohen was doing this?

I don't believe that it has, but I could be wrong.
There's just no way on God's green Earth he didn't know, though. Who among us actually looks at this situation and thinks that it was going on behind Trump's back? And if he did know, which seems extremely likely, Donald Trump does not strike me as the kind of guy that would allow an employee to make millions of dollars off his name without getting a cut. He's built his empire on branding and licensing out his name specifically. And remember, Cohen appears very strongly to have been being paid for access, which to me makes it pretty clear Trump was in the loop. People aren't going to line up to pay for access over the course of a year if they aren't getting it to at least a degree imo.
But we'll just have to wait and see what develops. I suspect this shit show is still ramping up.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

For international charities? It's horrible!!

Are u not understanding what is being said here?

U realize MOST charities grant out the money. By spending the money on DOMESTIC employees do u not understand the problem there?

Let's say I told u I was going to start a charity that would fund a clean water program in Africa. Then u found out afterwards I spent 63% of all the money domestically and 10% on travel. That doesn't include office supplies and events.

Would u be cool with me spending 1.5 million of 10 million u gave me in Africa

Do you have numbers to compare it to other charities? I only have your word that this is egregious. As for as I know, all charities spend a great deal of money internally.

 

[Falsedawn]

Do they need to have benefited? Because what really matters is that it's very possible they illegally paid for access to the President, regardless of how it turned out. Michael Cohen was not doing consultant work for them. He's not qualified, it seems, for much if not all of the "work" these various giant and important companies paid him lucratively for during this time. So it begs the question, what was he actually doing and how was the President involved? That money had to go somewhere. If literally a single solitary dollar of it went to Trump, I may just have to revise my hitherto ironclad supposition that he is basically impossible to impeach for a variety of reasons.

"I mean, who cares if I TRIED to murder that guy? He's alive isn't he?"

 

[Quequeg]

I'd be cool with it, too, but it needs more for an actual impeachment to take place. Impeachment is extremely rare and hard to make happen in our political system. All of the circumstances have to be right regardless of who it is and even to an extent what they have done.

Clinton got impeached for lying under oath, so as soon as Trump gets put under oath and lies(which he will) it should be a done deal, right?

 

[Limbo Pete]

Clinton got impeached for lying under oath, so as soon as Trump gets put under oath and lies(which he will) it should be a done deal, right?

Clinton got halfway impeached. I mean, he was, but they still failed to remove him from office. And he definitely lied under oath. It's just super duper hard to remove a President.

 

[SBJJ]

Do you have numbers to compare it to other charities? I only have your word that this is egregious. As for as I know, all charities spend a great deal of money internally.

Links have been posted already. Most charities do NOT spend a great deal internally and u know it.

https://m.csmonitor.com/Business/Guide-to-Giving/America-s-Top-50-charities-How-well-do-they-rate

This is a good guide and I give to 2 on the list.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Links have been posted already. Most charities do NOT spend a great deal internally and u know it.

https://m.csmonitor.com/Business/Guide-to-Giving/America-s-Top-50-charities-How-well-do-they-rate

This is a good guide and I give to 2 on the list.

No, it looks like I was wrong about that. But The Clinton Foundation spends 86.9% - 88% of its total expenses on the programs and services it delivers and it's ranked with the highest possible transparency and accountability rating. In fact, it's altogether a very highly-ranked charity.

Where are you getting your figures from?

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

http://fortune.com/2016/08/27/clinton-foundation-health-work/

 

[Andy Capp]

Clinton got halfway impeached. I mean, he was, but they still failed to remove him from office. And he definitely lied under oath. It's just super duper hard to remove a President.

As it should be. It ought to be ridiculously fucking hard. I think that's why so many have trouble believing Trump so quickly and easily meets the criteria, yet he does.

 

[SBJJ]

I don't believe that it has, but I could be wrong.
There's just no way on God's green Earth he didn't know, though. Who among us actually looks at this situation and thinks that it was going on behind Trump's back? And if he did know, which seems extremely likely, Donald Trump does not strike me as the kind of guy that would allow an employee to make millions of dollars off his name without getting a cut. He's built his empire on branding and licensing out his name specifically. And remember, Cohen appears very strongly to have been being paid for access, which to me makes it pretty clear Trump was in the loop. People aren't going to line up to pay for access over the course of a year if they aren't getting it to at least a degree imo.
But we'll just have to wait and see what develops. I suspect this shit show is still ramping up.

No, it looks like I was wrong about that. But The Clinton Foundation spends 86.9% - 88% of its total expenses on the programs and services it delivers and it's ranked with the highest possible transparency and accountability rating. In fact, it's altogether a very highly-ranked charity.

Where are you getting your figures from?

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

http://fortune.com/2016/08/27/clinton-foundation-health-work/

Sorry. Charity navigator is a joke. Look at the ratings they give to some of the best charities I listed. Navigator would not even rate the foundation at one point because it's impossible to see where the money goes. But after major leaning from lawyers and politicians navigator all of a sudden gave them 4 stars

Lol. Programs and services. U understand they will lump EVERYTHING into that. Including travel, employees pay and such.

They do not give out grants like most charities. The vast majority of funds go to employees and travel. But they simply get around it by saying their employees do the charity work

Let me get this straight. They spend 10% on travel alone and u state they spend 88% on programs. Are u seeing where I'm going with this?

 

[Limbo Pete]

Sorry. Charity navigator is a joke. Look at the ratings they give to some of the best charities I listed.

Lol. Programs and services. U understand they will lump EVERYTHING into that. Including travel, employees pay and such.

They do not give out grants like most charities. The vast majority of funds go to employees and travel. But they simply get around it by saying their employees do the charity work

Let me get this straight. They spend 10% on travel alone and u state they spend 88% on programs. Are u seeing where I'm going with this?

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I suspect I was mis-tagged here

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Sorry. Charity navigator is a joke. Look at the ratings they give to some of the best charities I listed.

Lol. Programs and services. U understand they will lump EVERYTHING into that. Including travel, employees pay and such.

They do not give out grants like most charities. The vast majority of funds go to employees and travel. But they simply get around it by saying their employees do the charity work

Let me get this straight. They spend 10% on travel alone and u state they spend 88% on programs. Are u seeing where I'm going with this?

I also quoted Charity Watch. They're two of the most esteemed charity watchdogs there are, as far as I can tell. And you're not giving me any sources for your figures.

 

[SBJJ]

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I suspect I was mis-tagged here

Yea. My bad

 

[SBJJ]

I also quoted Charity Watch. They're two of the most esteemed charity watchdogs there are, as far as I can tell. And you're not giving me any sources for your figures.

There are links given earlier in the thread that show actual breakdowns of the funds.

U really think those rating agencies are legit? Look at their ratings of some of the TOP well known charities. It's a joke

If the Clinton Foundation was so great. Key word was. Why was the bulk of their funds coming from mega donors and foreign governments? Why didn't it have the donors that a Habitat for Humanity have.

And why did it disappear when Clinton lost.

Why would such a reputable honest charity just vanish

 

[Quequeg]

There are links given earlier in the thread that show actual breakdowns of the funds.

U really think those rating agencies are legit? Look at their ratings of some of the TOP well known charities. It's a joke

If the Clinton Foundation was so great. Key word was. Why was the bulk of their funds coming from mega donors and foreign governments? Why didn't it have the donors that a Habitat for Humanity have.

And why did it disappear when Clinton lost.

Why would such a reputable honest charity just vanish

Dude, you are flailing here. What is your point? Hillary lost. Trump is doing it right now! You expect anyone to believe that a anonymous poster on karate knows more about Charities than the rating agencies?

 

[Deleted member 429137]

There are links given earlier in the thread that show actual breakdowns of the funds.

U really think those rating agencies are legit? Look at their ratings of some of the TOP well known charities. It's a joke

If the Clinton Foundation was so great. Key word was. Why was the bulk of their funds coming from mega donors and foreign governments? Why didn't it have the donors that a Habitat for Humanity have.

And why did it disappear when Clinton lost.

Why would such a reputable honest charity just vanish

1. If those ranking agencies aren't legit, why are they the ones referenced in journalism about charities? Why is the ranking system you're pushing more legitimate?

2. What do you mean that it disappeared? It appears to still be active.

3. Can you repost those links?

 

[SBJJ]

I also quoted Charity Watch. They're two of the most esteemed charity watchdogs there are, as far as I can tell. And you're not giving me any sources for your figures.

Also. Where u are getting 88% is program EXPENSES. It is literally impossible to clarify what that is because they lump nearly everything into it

 

[SBJJ]

Dude, you are flailing here. What is your point? Hillary lost. Trump is doing it right now! You expect anyone to believe that a anonymous poster on karate knows more about Charities than the rating agencies?

Uhhhh. U asleep? Go read back my posts. I think Trump should be impeached if he knew what was going on.

But we gotta stop all this shady shit. From the Clintons to the Bidens to the McConnels

If u are only willing to denounce it on 1 side then how can u expect the other side to not do the same