Crime Upstanding Chicagoans Making Police Feel Welcome

[7437]

It's a dilemma, but what do you propose? To not arrest criminals because their children will be fatherless?

not jailing people for minor crimes and focusing on rehabilitation for people who are jailed.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

not jailing people for minor crimes and focusing on rehabilitation for people who are jailed.

I agree but many of these gang members are not committing minor crimes. Some stuff like arresting people for selling illegal cigarettes or weed is absurd, but people threatening to kill cops or crack dealers is another matter completely.

 

[7437]

I agree but many of these gang members are not committing minor crimes. Some stuff like arresting people for selling illegal cigarettes or weed is absurd, but people threatening to kill cops or crack dealers is another matter completely.

yeah. almost half of people in jail are there for drug offenses. Id bet most fo those arent crack dealers. Thats a significant number of broken homes that will just cause more problems.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

 

[58miles]

I support ending prohibition of Cannabis but how do you deal with crack dealers? Let them sell crack freely? Look at opioids, many of them are legal and they're wrecking havoc. Without the war on drugs stuff like crack/cocaine, heroin and meth would be easier to get.

The only thing that was worse than the crack epidemic was the war on the crack epidemic. crack damaged families and communities but the war on crack destroyed families and communities. Treating crack addiction as a health problem rather than a criminal justice problem is a much better alternative.

 

[Fugazy]

Totally, grieving mothers are raking in the dough. The organizers of grassroots anti gang violence organizations are just super famous. Who are they again?

I'm not sure what you are going on about. You Seem kind of on edge there buddeh.

I'm posting from experience on the corruption and inefficiency I've seen in my city personally. I grew up up in one of these shitty inner cities and seen "community activists" who have the same jobs and titles year after year, accomplish nothing, make bank, buy fancy cars, and move out of their "hoods" mismanage funds, steal, and sell their "beloved" communities dreams that go nowhere.

They can always find a way to make an appearance on the news dressed like low level pimps crying at a city counsel meeting or the site of a shooting, and still accomplish nothing.

The people who are actually serving their communities and working for the people who want better lives are often the last people looking for the spotlight.

 

[Fugazy]

Inner cities aren't turning around? This is 2019 not 1985? Do you actually have any idea wtf you are talking about? Most inner cities are like paradise on earth compared to the 70's, 80's and early 90's. Plenty has turned around.

Inner cities are like paradise? Word?

 

[Fugazy]

Inner cities aren't turning around? This is 2019 not 1985? Do you actually have any idea wtf you are talking about? Most inner cities are like paradise on earth compared to the 70's, 80's and early 90's. Plenty has turned around.

This look like paradise to you?

 

[58miles]

This look like paradise to you?

Paradise compared to the 70's, 80's and early 90's.
2 examples
Milwaukee 101 murders 2018, 1990 165 murders.
In 2012 Atlanta had it's lowest number of murders since 1963.
In recent years crimes have increased but never reaching the highs it did in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. I'm not even going to get into NYC, DC, Miami or LA, only a loon would claim that there hasn't been a huge change.

 

[nhbbear]

Hey @Gregolian , @nhbbear and @Trotsky what is the likelihood of this? How often does someone drop charges and yet the person is is still convicted for domestic violence?

Not that often, but it does happen. I have been involved in a few cases, where the victim gave statements or the injuries were so bad that the state refused to drop the charges.

One case, the offense was originally attempted murder. Another case, the guy broke her arm in a compound fracture. Just two off the top of my head.

 

[Fugazy]

Paradise compared to the 70's, 80's and early 90's.
2 examples
Milwaukee 101 murders 2018, 1990 165 murders.
In 2012 Atlanta had it's lowest number of murders since 1963.
In recent years crimes have increased but never reaching the highs it did in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. I'm not even going to get into NYC, DC, Miami or LA, only a loon would claim that there hasn't been a huge change.

Ive got 114 murders for 2018, and 2014 2015 were both 140+ if I'm not mistaken.

Overall the country is safer, less violent crime decade by decade. That's not the only thing that matters in the inner city though.

More people are poor than ever and the wealth disparity in the country is greater than it has ever been. More people are struggling and ghettos are growing, not shrinking. The middle class is shrinking and not growing, despite the recent economic boom of the US. Inner cities aren't turning around, period. It's more likely than ever that if you are born poor in a shitty zip code, you will die poor in a shitty zip code.

You decided to hone in on violence for some reason, I didn't. You can try to get cute, these inner cities don't belong in the same sentence as a word like "paradise".

What do you think the cops in OP would feel about the hyperbolic bullshit you just posted?

 

[58miles]

Ive got 114 murders for 2018, and 2014 2015 were both 140+ if I'm not mistaken.

Overall the country is safer, less violent crime decade by decade. That's not the only thing that matters in the inner city though.

More people are poor than ever and the wealth disparity in the country is greater than it has ever been. More people are struggling and ghettos are growing, not shrinking. The middle class is shrinking and not growing, despite the recent economic boom of the US. Inner cities aren't turning around, period. It's more likely than ever that if you are born poor in a shitty zip code, you will die poor in a shitty zip code.

You decided to hone in on violence for some reason, I didn't. You can try to get cute, these inner cities don't belong in the same sentence as a word like "paradise".

What do you think the cops in OP would feel about the hyperbolic bullshit you just posted?

Comparing the overall crime rate both violent and non violent then and now, these inner cities are much safer than in the past when I was younger and living in Houston, Augusta, San Antonio and Atlanta and from what I've seen the ghetto's in those cities are not growing in fact the opposite is happening as public housing you had incredibly concentrated poverty is increasingly being replaced by section 8 vouchers which places poor families in areas where poverty is less concentrated.