Unpopular opinion

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

you remember when cowboy openly said "if you are going to miss weight, call me. i will miss weight with you"
i think costa made that phone call before media day. we just didnt know about it until then.
he didnt call him 10 min before scale time neither guy was cutting at the time. clearly. marvin was the same size if not bigger at stare downs.
and what is der herr ? is that a derogative towards mentally handicapped or?

No, it’s derogatory toward mouth breathers.

 

[pride_rules]

I'll agree to a point. It doesn't make it less dishonest however, and I believe Costa was dishonest about the 'original' 185 lb fight from day one.

thats fair. but we assume that marvin just found out at media day. for all we know marvin knew 2 weeks ago. "i dont believe marvin knew two weeks" but we can only speculate on the why and how longs.
so i dont know that it is fair slay him for taking the heel role

 

[pride_rules]

Except your missing an entire power imbalance issue.

Vittori has to accept. Oh sure he CAN decline (using the same sort of logic you used in the OP), but for all intents and purposes he is forced to accept a new fight, or commit career suicide.

Real cool of Costa, huh? Now I’m not pretending Costa created these power imbalances, but he put his opponent between a rock and a hard place.

not one person with any sense knocks marvin for turning down the fight when costa is 30 lbs over the original weight. thats absurd to think he is on career suicide. who slayed chaison? no one.

 

[pride_rules]

Except your missing an entire power imbalance issue.

Vittori has to accept. Oh sure he CAN decline (using the same sort of logic twisting you use in the OP), but for all intents and purposes he is forced to accept a new fight, or commit career suicide.

Real cool of Costa, huh? Now I’m not pretending Costa created these power imbalances, but he put his opponent between a rock and a hard place.

ladd only missed by a little
is macy cut?
did she lose a ranking slot?
who is slaying her?
do better man.

 

[Lee_]

Capitalization

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

not one person with any sense knocks marvin for turning down the fight when costa is 30 lbs over the original weight. thats absurd to think he is on career suicide. who slayed chaison? no one.

You have more faith in both mma fans and UFC than I do.

Anyway, I don’t even care. The fight is on, whatever. But bending over backwards to make Costa seem like he’s just a good fella who made an honest mistake is naive, at best. As if he and Vettori are on equal moral footing here. Ridiculous. But have at it Enjoy the fights, sir.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Seems that the media and most folks are saying costa missed weight and he is unprofessional etc.

taking a step back and removing the broken English media days and the last minute changes to the bout.

costa for what ever reason cant make 185 saturday. so his manager and marvins manager work things out between them and the fighters to make a NEW contract. which is not being pointed out by the media.
the numbers and percentages of the purses are not relevant here. they just happened to agree on a 20% number which is the same % as a 1-2.5 lb miss. i think if its 3+ its 30% and so on. (maybe wrong on that)
either way not relevant.
what is relevant to us is, they have a new contract which is now at LHW and costa in fact weighed UNDER the contracted limit and DID NOT miss weight.

imo this is the definition of handling things professionally giving the circumstances.
costa missing weight would have been unprofessional. costa pulling out and costing both guys a pay day, also unprofessional.
getting a new contract and both guys get paid and all agreements met on paper pre fight.
how is this unprofessional?

unpopular opinion=garbage opinion IMO.
He signed a contract and refused to even try and make the weight in the original contract. If your point is that it is better to contact the other team early and find an agreed upon weight rather than miss weight, I might agree. I refuse to overlook the fact he didn't honor his original contract. What if Vettori didn't agree to the new terms? Thanks to Vettori we have a fight tomorrow.

 

[Alpinestar]

Vittori did not have to agree to fight Costa at light heavyweight. If Vittori wanted to, he could have refused the fight and still collected money because it wasn't his fault that Costa couldn't make weight.

Costa owes Vittori a favor.

 

[pride_rules]

unpopular opinion=garbage opinion IMO.
He signed a contract and refused to even try and make the weight in the original contract. If your point is that it is better to contact the other team early and find an agreed upon weight rather than miss weight, I might agree. I refuse to overlook the fact he didn't honor his original contract. What if Vettori didn't agree to the new terms? Thanks to Vettori we have a fight tomorrow.

i dont mind this take. other than the flame i respect your standing on the not even trying part. but knowing he was going to fail why try just to have fight scrapped then?
which is worse?

 

[laleggenda27]

1. That's a pretty dubious argument, TS. The only reason there's a "new contract" is that Costa allegedly couldn't make the weight. The fact that he agreed to fight at a certain weight, then wasn't able to make that weight, is obviously unprofessional - especially considering he didn't even attempt to cut the weight. At best, you can say he was unprofessional in not making the originally contracted weight, but he handled the aftermath as professionally as possible.

2. It's still very curious that he didn't even try to make weight. He allegedly weighed 211 pounds a couple days out from the fight. There are other MWs who cut from that range. In fact, Costa himself weighed 214 pounds when he walked into the cage against Yoel. To me, this indicates either: (1) his team lied about his weight, and he was actually heavier than 211 pounds; or (2) he's checked out mentally and simply didn't feel like doing a weight cut.

 

[pride_rules]

1. That's a pretty dubious argument, TS. The only reason there's a "new contract" is that Costa allegedly couldn't make the weight. The fact that he agreed to fight at a certain weight, then wasn't able to make that weight, is obviously unprofessional - especially considering he didn't even attempt to cut the weight. At best, you can say he was unprofessional in not making the originally contracted weight, but he handled the aftermath as professionally as possible.

2. It's still very curious that he didn't even try to make weight. He allegedly weighed 211 pounds a couple days out from the fight. There are other MWs who cut from that range. In fact, Costa himself weighed 214 pounds when he walked into the cage against Yoel. To me, this indicates either: (1) his team lied about his weight, and he was actually heavier than 211 pounds; or (2) he's checked out mentally and simply didn't feel like doing a weight cut.

Also fair. but as i just mentioned.
lets say he tries. marvin makes weight and costa then misses by 5-10 lbs like rumble weight
whats worse?
i am leaning towards the 211 was a lie. he came onto the scale fresh out of a cut sweating. i dont think you full sweat gear to shed weight if you are 5 lbs in range 3 days out

 

[Darragh]

Someone not doing what they agreed to do and then changing the rules around is not professional.

It might have been necessary to keep the fight on and Vettori is a champ for being accomodating but Costa reeks of being shady and manipulative.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

i dont mind this take. other than the flame i respect your standing on the not even trying part. but knowing he was going to fail why try just to have fight scrapped then?
which is worse?

Let's take out the flaming part and say I don't agree with your opinion. You still fail to recognize that he didn't honor the original contract. After that, he did the right thing contacting Vettori and figuring out a catchweight (he couldn't make the agreed upon 195, so now it's 205). He's also not very grateful to Vettori. He's not thanking Marvin but telling him if he doesn't accept the new terms that Vettori is the reason if the fight gets cancelled. He seems like he's off his game. If I was a betting man I would put a nice chunk of change on Vettori.

 

[Sticko]

Except your missing an entire power imbalance issue.

Vittori has to accept. Oh sure he CAN decline (using the same sort of logic twisting you use in the OP), but for all intents and purposes he is forced to accept a new fight, or commit career suicide.

Real cool of Costa, huh? Now I’m not pretending Costa created these power imbalances, but he put his opponent between a rock and a hard place.

If Vettori refused to fight overweight Costa, the UFC would either scramble to find a short-notice opponent for Marvin, or they'd promote a different fight to main event. Possibly having a 3-round main event.
Nobody would be happy about it but Vettori wouldn't get in trouble.

 

[pride_rules]

Let's take out the flaming part and say I don't agree with your opinion. You still fail to recognize that he didn't honor the original contract. After that, he did the right thing contacting Vettori and figuring out a catchweight (he couldn't make the agreed upon 195, so now it's 205). He's also not very grateful to Vettori. He's not thanking Marvin but telling him if he doesn't accept the new terms that Vettori is the reason if the fight gets cancelled. He seems like he's off his game. If I was a betting man I would put a nice chunk of change on Vettori.

the honor in the contract? it was negotiated. so that contract is well, null. he didnt do any injustice by asking for a renegotiation.
marvin and his team agreed that what ever % they are getting extra is worth it.
they are the ones that allowed costa to "not try" to make weight.
all the rest is showmanship heel shit
i bet behind the scenes marvin and costa are both happy they got to eat good all week in vegas

 

[pride_rules]

If Vettori refused to fight overweight Costa, the UFC would either scramble to find a short-notice opponent for Marvin, or they'd promote a different fight to main event. Possibly having a 3-round main event.
Nobody would be happy about it but Vettori wouldn't get in trouble.

krauss is in town for dawson. 100$ says he would have stepped on the scale for costa and made weight

 

[HHJ]

Seems that the media and most folks are saying costa missed weight and he is unprofessional etc.

taking a step back and removing the broken English media days and the last minute changes to the bout.

costa for what ever reason cant make 185 saturday. so his manager and marvins manager work things out between them and the fighters to make a NEW contract. which is not being pointed out by the media.
the numbers and percentages of the purses are not relevant here. they just happened to agree on a 20% number which is the same % as a 1-2.5 lb miss. i think if its 3+ its 30% and so on. (maybe wrong on that)
either way not relevant.
what is relevant to us is, they have a new contract which is now at LHW and costa in fact weighed UNDER the contracted limit and DID NOT miss weight.

imo this is the definition of handling things professionally giving the circumstances.
costa missing weight would have been unprofessional. costa pulling out and costing both guys a pay day, also unprofessional.
getting a new contract and both guys get paid and all agreements met on paper pre fight.
how is this unprofessional?

Are you dense? They agreed on a certain weight and Costa did not honor that agreement. Anything past that is making the best of a bad situation...but costa isn't even conceding that. He's been acting like he's done nothing wrong and is trying to point the finger at Marvin for being cowardly If he won't take it just because of this. There is no trying to make Paulo look good here. It can't be done.

 

[TRUS8888]

We'd have to know if the missed weight was premediated, or what exactly happened to cause Costa to miss.

I havn't gone full detective but from what I've heard, Costa seems to avoid the question and just says that the UFC and his managers 'offered' to make the fight at a higher weight which is agrees.

It's VERY unprofessional to agree to 185 then announce you need 195, then even later 205, and if Costa isn't allowed to get his demands then Vettori is scared to fight (?!)

If Costa is trying to gain some kind of competitive advantage with this weight games then this is totally bullshit and unprofessional.

I don't know what it's like to cut weight personally, but from what I gather you get to a certain size and begin the process of cutting down to the determined weight.
Let's say normally Costa is 210 then cuts to 185. Maybe this time he is 230 then cuts to 205. Meanwhile Marvin (who is also big).. has been targeting 185 this whole time, so he is say 210, then just doesn't cut and reaches 205 easy.
I hope I'm explaining correctly... but what I'm concerned about is that Costa is now a TRUE 205'er while Marvin is just a 185'er who hasn't cut weight. Costa will have a big size and strength advantage and he's getting it through bullshit.

 

[HHJ]

Costa would have come in at 211 If he thought the commission would allow him to still fight

 

[richardjohnson]

I see your point TS, Costa came in and instead of missing weight today and potentially putting the fight in jeopardy he made everyone aware of the situation and did what he could to rectify it. Problem is he originally agreed to a 185lb bout and has yet to take accountability for his actions here (at least from what I've seen).

Personally I don't have as much of a problem with fighters missing weight as many, I've never had to cut weight but I imagine it's pretty terrible. I just think Costa has come across as if he doesn't even care which people find unprofessional. Just my opinion, though.