unorthodox guard pass

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Sohei, Aug 30, 2005.

  1. Sohei

    Sohei Manning the air

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    The other day in training I was on bottom with my partner on top in my closed guuard. It was a pretty tight guard and before this he always had a tough time passing my guard. This time, however, he did a pass I was completely unfamiliar with. Basically he stood up, kind of squatted down, and used his knees to drive into my hamstrings and his elbows to drive into my quadriceps. At first it didnt really have any effect on me but eventually my legs cramped and he powered out of my guard and passed it. Is anyone really familiar with this guard pass or know the name of it? Thanks.
     
  2. GJJNY

    GJJNY Purple Belt

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    It's called cheap. When he stands up and touches his knees together make sure you have his sleeves gripped well, open your guard, slide down and clinch your knees around his. Then just pull his hips over yours and sweep him right over your head and end in mount.

    Or, when he stands up, just play open guard.
     
  3. Kawlinz

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    Cheap how? Seems like there's a good counter to it. It'd only be cheap if there were no way to prevent the pass.
     
  4. Jason Pair

    Jason Pair Amateur Fighter

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    Wouldn't be cheap if there were no way to prevent the pass it would be brilliant.
     
  5. GJJNY

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    Cheap in that it's a useless move if someone has the slightest idea what to do. Cheap in that it takes zero skill to grind your elbows into someones legs. Cheap in that no one with any skill would even bother trying to pass a guard like that.
     
  6. Sohei

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    Im sure its pretty easy to counter, It just seemed weird because Ive never had anyone pass my guard this way and Ive never done it before, plus the setup was weird and I was surprised by it. Actually after practice I was thinking that it was pretty cheap too. I always try to pass guards technically because that seems to work for me instead of trying to power through them.
     
  7. flyingknee16

    flyingknee16 Brown Belt

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    I grind my elbows into my opponent's thighs all the time, it works and that's all that matters. Are you upset because your guard opens up like a hot knife running through butter as soon as someone applies a similar technique?
     
  8. Waxwingslain

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    I think you're a bit hard on the pass! You don't have to cartwheel every time you try to pass.

    You are right about the counter though. Squeexe the knees and pull the sleeves,
     
  9. flyingknee16

    flyingknee16 Brown Belt

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    In no gi if someone grinds their elbows into my thighs I usually try to "flatten" my thighs as much as I can while maintaining the highest and tightest guard on my opponent as I can. Then I also use my hands to pull/push away their elbows from my thighs, then I'll either re-adjust right away or I will pull on the back of their head and pull downward to frustrate them and keep them in.
     
  10. migo**

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    Exactly!
     
  11. Kawlinz

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    It doesn't take much 'skill' to do a lot of stuff, like keep your legs closed around someone's body. Grinding the elbow into the quad/side of the leg is quite an effective way to open someone's guard if you keep your limbs away from his hands. But it can't be a cheap move, you just said it's useless if someone know's what to do.
     
  12. Enron Exec.

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    Passing the gaurd is the single most difficult thing in grappling
     
  13. unearth

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    is it ok for the guy on the bottom to grind his elbow into your eye as an effective counter?
     
  14. kid dynamite

    kid dynamite STOP! Bottom Brick!

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    so its cheap because no one with skill would even attempt it, but this guy actually passed the guard... not cheap at all.
     
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    No one has ever opened my guard like that. I'll either just reach up and pull their arm forward, or sweep them. Besides, what kind of crappy people do you guys train with where they'd knowningly apply a move that hurts your training partners?

    I have NEVER seen anyone with more than a years worth of training even attempt this bullshit pass, it's only white belt noobs who don't have the skills to stand up in guard yet. Maybe it's time to take a guard passing 101 class. :wink:
     
  16. Kawlinz

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    Permenant damage risk vs a moment of pain... you tell me.
     
  17. Smorra

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    Johil' Do mentioned an escape to an opposite-side-arm-trapped guillotine that is basically the elbow in the thigh guard break (with your near side, free arm.) I've found that it does work well in that situation, even against experienced people, becaue their arms are occupied by trying to guillotine you. It doesn't neccessarily rely on pain, but can be used to physically press their leg down. But, this does seem to be easily countered unless the other person's hands are already tied up, like with a guillotine..
     
  18. Zankou

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    At my school (Machado) everybody does this elbow-grind pass all the time, where you dig your elbows into the thighs to open the guard. I've never heard anyone consider it cheap. That's the primary way they taught me to open the guard -- sit down and put your elbows into the thighs, as you twist out. Keeping your hands on the belt, so he can't sweep you. Am I missing something? It just powers up your guard-breaking a little to throw this in.
     

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