Ukraine - Correlation between Ethnolinguistics and Voting .

[MicroBrew]

This won't be news for most of you but I thought the maps would help visualise the situation more easily.


Those from regions thet prodominantly identified with the Russian language voted for Yanukovych while those from regions that predominantly identified with the Ukrainian language voted for Tymoshenko and Yushchenko .


Below map from Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, a Ukranian organisation that works with European orgs. and American Universities.
http://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=background

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Below 3 maps from WashintongPost
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...this-one-map-helps-explain-ukraines-protests/

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Below map from CNN

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So what will happen when the big powers meet over Ukraine, a division of Ukraine into Russian and Ukranian sovereign nations or autonomous governing regions??
Whatever it is with Ukraine being on Russia's border and there being majorities in East Ukraine identifying with the Russian language, Russsia will be very proactive.

I don't know the level of support for the coup from pro Russian Ukranians but there have been public protests in Ukraine in support of Russia.

" Russia supporters demand reunification as conflict escalates "

http://news.yahoo.com/video/russia-supporters-demand-reunification-conflict-170004059.html

 

[lapollarecords]

my ukrainian friend(from Ternopil, Western Ukraine) says there isn't much hatred between ukrainians and russians over there. but he also says he doesn't give a fuck because "he is not going back to that shithole", so I don't know what to think

 

[AA4142CA]

To TS: the thing that you posted doesn't have a true picture of whats really going on in Ukraine.

 

[Kyryllo]

It is nice and all and you can read a lot into the language thing.

but here's the simple thing how it all went down (more or less): The east is the land of the oligarchs and is extremely corrupt, there is much less of it in the west. Yanukovich and his gang is from the east. A huge and expensive propaganda campaign has been running predominantly in the east, coincidentally russian is a predominant language there, so this aspect has been used in the propaganda. Et voila, this is how the votes turned out. Yanukovich won the vote on false promises and appeared "closer" to the eastern people than Timoshenko, who herself is from the east, and they were extremely unsatisfied with Yushchenko and the "failed" revolution of 2004.

My grandma, who doesn't speak russian and lives in the east, voted for Yanukovich, cause he promised her pension to increase by 30%, this did not happen btw. what followed was continuous propaganda, harassment and corruption in the east and west, it just did not catch up in the west how it did in the east.

 

[IDL]

Was reading some history about the Ukraine and how things came to be.

From what I understand, the Russian leadership caused a deliberate famine and ethnically cleansed millions of Ukrainians in order to then strategically relocate ethnic Russians to take their place.

The event is referred to as the Holodomor
http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html

So that would explain the ethnic split we see today i'm thinkin

 

[Kyryllo]

here's the map of the regions most affected by the famine:

it looks very familiar to todays language distribution maps. I am skeptical as for the soviets deliberately causing the famine and want to believe the drought was there and the soviets could save the people but didn't, cause it suited them. But it may be wishful thinking on my part, I am depressed enough already and don't want to think of somebody trying to exterminate my people. But yeah between 1930 and 1945 11 to 20 Million Ukrainians died in the famine or WW2. The empty space needed to be filled, with russians. A numbers game.

My grandfather told me how it was when the russians where brought to their village. The first years they kept to themselves, where hostile. But 10 or so years later they were locals.

 

[IDL]

it looks very familiar to todays language distribution maps. I am skeptical as for the soviets deliberately causing the famine and want to believe the drought was there and the soviets could save the people but didn't, cause it suited them. But it may be wishful thinking on my part, I am depressed enough already and don't want to think of somebody trying to exterminate my people. But yeah between 1930 and 1945 11 to 20 Million Ukrainians died in the famine or WW2. The empty space needed to be filled, with russians. A numbers game.

My grandfather told me how it was when the russians where brought to their village. The first years they kept to themselves, where hostile. But 10 or so years later they were locals.

WWII was full of really terrible things. Hard to even imagine really.
The Russian leadership that was installed after the Bolshevik Revolution were straight up killers though.

I don't know if that power structure still exists today.. Let's hope not.