UFN 90 - RDA vs Alvarez - Las Vegas

[LEMONZEST]

I hedged off my big bet on BB. I have no clue what will happen in that fight

 

[iGnP]

Is anyone concerned that Roy defense isn't really that good? I mean, it hasn't cost him bc he's able to eat shots w that granite chin of his, but if BB can land a couple of big shots...

 

[mkess101]

Is anyone concerned that Roy defense isn't really that good? I mean, it hasn't cost him bc he's able to eat shots w that granite chin of his, but if BB can land a couple of big shots...

Anything is possible but BB has such awful striking I don't see it. He relies on putting guys on their backs and then blasting them. I think he struggles to take Roy down and eats a bomb at some point.

 

[piglord]

hope you are right. went a bit overboard when i saw him at -120 @ betsafe : not as much as Sham but got about 500$ on him with a little hedge on BB decision.. after thinking about it some more i regret thorwing down that much being HW's and Roy's age.. oh well ride or die

i didn't go quite so crazy. although i doubled him with pyle so technically i will have a similar amount on him if pyle wins. yolo.

 

[Dusty Trunks]

I am choosing to believe in Lewis here...

Yes he has holes, but he is on a nice run right now and has momentum. He is 9 years younger and absolutely needs to get passed a 40 year old Roy Nelson in this fight if he wants to be considered a legitimate HW.

 

[piglord]

Is anyone concerned that Roy defense isn't really that good? I mean, it hasn't cost him bc he's able to eat shots w that granite chin of his, but if BB can land a couple of big shots...

i think for once roy actually has the more technical standup. bb is more likely to get cracked first despite the reach difference.

 

[mkess101]

i think for once roy actually has the more technical standup. bb is more likely to get cracked first despite the reach difference.

I also trust Nelson's chin more if he does get tagged.

 

[Tebowned]

Jouban has a job outside of fighting too

I'm taking the dog.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Just noticed Reginaldo is down to -145. Time to play him at that price.

I love Bookie Beatdown, but those guys have been having some "wtf?" Discussions lately. I thought it was beyond ridiculous when the one dude picked McCrory as his favorite pick on the card when he was -200, and now these dudes straight trash Vieira.

Their tidbits are the best. I forgot Reginaldo trained out of basically his garage going into TUF, and if he still does that's an obvious giant red flag. But he is possibly gonna prove to be better than Beltran in every respect. Beltrans footwork is improving, but he doesn't pull the trigger and Vieira has no problem letting hands fly. Plus he's pretty quick when he wants to step in the pocket. Beltran is kind of sloppy grappling and Vieira has a wicked gulliotine plus solid wrestling/jits.

Think we'll see other touts and media who are a bit smarter and don't count Vieira out, so i think now might be the best time to hit him

 

[Joseph Budden]

@lefontes youre usually the man for insider Brazilian info, any news on what Reginaldo Vieira has been up to?

 

[EzFlyer]

feels surreal that this event is in less than 48 hours.. today feels like a monday.. usually fights on a saturday..

 

[VandelayIndstry]

Never heard of bookie beatdown, why do you like them so much Budden?

 

[piglord]

feels surreal that this event is in less than 48 hours.. today feels like a monday.. usually fights on a saturday..

yeah and the terrible thing is i haven't had a single day off gambling since the last event. ready to get that dope in my veins real hard for 3 days then the euro final on sunday.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Never heard of bookie beatdown, why do you like them so much Budden?

The thing I like the most are the tidbits of insight and info that you may not have known/forgotten that can really aid in making a decision. Perfect example is Reginaldo's training situation. I completely forgot on TUF Brazil when they profiled him he trained with very few people in his garage. Thats a redflag when Beltran spends time with AKA (had Javier Mendez in his corner vs Ning and I think vs Vera when I rewatched that too) and now is full time in Chicago training with Yair Rodriguez (another nice bit of info from them).

It also doesn't hurt that their chemistry is great, they still have solid discussions even if they've had these 'wtf?' moments recently, and they seem like likable dudes. I prefer vivisection since Connor and Zane have that with little less tidbits but much more technical insight, but still a fun show to have in the lead up to events.

You can check them out on Fight Network's Youtube channel if you ever wanna watch one and see if you like it. Another thing that JimGunn pointed out before is they have rights to use UFC footage unlike other shows, which is very helpful to the production

 

[piglord]

getting burns at longer than -200 feels like a steal now, he's getting pounded (on the uk books at least).

 

[mkess101]

Man I want to fade Pyle's 40 year old chin but he impressed me with how game he was in his last fight and how he still had some killer instinct to finish in the third round. But he's been stopped in 9 of his 11 losses and Mina has finished 11 of his 12 fights (albeit against lackluster competion).

I wish price was just a little better on Mina itd. +180...meh.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Man I want to fade Pyle's 40 year old chin but he impressed me with how game he was in his last fight and how he still had some killer instinct to finish in the third round. But he's been stopped in 9 of his 11 losses and Mina has finished 11 of his 12 fights (albeit against lackluster competion).

I wish price was just a little better on Mina itd. +180...meh.

Most recent guys to finish Pyle are one of the best welterweight strikers in Jordan Mein, top WWs Matt Brown and Rory Mac, and 2010 Jake Ellenberger in the best form of his career. Mina finished short notice Shinsho Anzai, and a bunch of guys who are nowhere near UFC level (Sparv is good though). Are the numbers as important as the details? I hope not

 

[mkess101]

Most recent guys to finish Pyle are one of the best welterweight strikers in Jordan Mein, top WWs Matt Brown and Rory Mac, and 2010 Jake Ellenberger in the best form of his career. Mina finished short notice Shinsho Anzai, and a bunch of guys who are nowhere near UFC level (Sparv is good though). Are the numbers as important as the details? I hope not

Agree but if you watch those finishes Pyle is not reacting well at all to being stung. Add in that Mina looks pretty slick with his subs and he has multiple ways to finish. Of course the question will be if Mina is capable of putting Pyle in one of those spots where he's in trouble.

But...the line kinda sucks LOL. It's something I'd kind of LIKE to play but I just need better than +180 to pull the trigger.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Agree but if you watch those finishes Pyle is not reacting well at all to being stung. Add in that Mina looks pretty slick with his subs and he has multiple ways to finish. Of course the question will be if Mina is capable of putting Pyle in one of those spots where he's in trouble.

But...the line kinda sucks LOL. It's something I'd kind of LIKE to play but I just need better than +180 to pull the trigger.

Agreed, he's not. Mina's aggression and power are literally my only concerns, I'm very confident Pyle is the better fighter. I will say I thought Pyle had more composure in bad spots vs Spencer.

Fair to like Mina win, but I think anyone who would hit that +180 is greatly misinterpreting the skills levels in this one in comparison to that line. Too lazy to check, but if you like Mina and want value id guess Mina round 1 would hold much greater value. Can't see Mina getting a finish past five mins, and both the stats and detail of studying Pyle show he's most vulnerable in the early stages of a fight.

 

[mkess101]

Agreed, he's not. Mina's aggression and power are literally my only concerns, I'm very confident Pyle is the better fighter. I will say I thought Pyle had more composure in bad spots vs Spencer.

Fair to like Mina win, but I think anyone who would hit that +180 is greatly misinterpreting the skills levels in this one in comparison to that line. Too lazy to check, but if you like Mina and want value id guess Mina round 1 would hold much greater value. Can't see Mina getting a finish past five mins, and both the stats and detail of studying Pyle show he's most vulnerable in the early stages of a fight.

Yeah it's +375. Agree it's the better option. Still not a line I totally love but do like it better. I think if Mina finishes it's much better than 50% to happen in rd 1. I guess I'll hit it really small for now and maybe add a little if it moves to +425 or better. Not holding my breath though.