UFN 101 - Whittaker vs Brunson - Australia

[Creech]

Hooker vs Knight should really be dog or pass. All the value is on Knight, I think the line should be tighter and I don't think you should feel confident betting on either guy. Both guys are improving from fight to fight so it's to know what to expect. I cashed Knight as a dog vs Alers and was surprised by his improved striking. I do lean slightly towards Hooker though but not interested in his price.

Agree with this. I do slightly lean Knight though because I think his kind of aggression scores well with the judges.

 

[CR0W]

Man I'm trying to respectfully argue my points and talk fights with other likeminded adults and all you guys can do is act immature and argue about nonsense like children. I'm out.

So am I, I just said that you didn't understand what I meant by top control and that just because you think Hooker's defence is bad it isn't mean that Knight's isn't either.

 

[CR0W]

You are taking what I said out of context. All of those guys fought Hooker aggressively, you can't argue that point. I said the styles differ, but the aggressiveness in approach does not.

Again, take what you will from those fights, but they make it near impossible to argue how Hooker will respond to someone who wants to fight him aggressively. He will not do like Alers, and pick shots. He will fire back.

Exactly.

Going straight after a leglock and keeping going for it is "aggressive", it doesn't have to be a strike to be aggressive.

 

[Sillyfruit]

Exactly.

Going straight after a leglock and keeping going for it is "aggressive", it doesn't have to be a strike to be aggressive.

Diving for leglocks isnt aggressive. Its panicking.

Like Rory kept diving for the iminari roll isnt aggressive, its panicking.

 

[Brick Top]

Exactly.

Going straight after a leglock and keeping going for it is "aggressive", it doesn't have to be a strike to be aggressive.

My point is Hooker's fights with Entwistle and that dude he guillotined are completely irrelevant when talking about Knight

Knight isn't going to dive for a leglock like a mong, and he isn't going to wrestle (presumably)

The only time he's fought an aggressive striker (Blanco, even though I thought he'd wrestle he mostly striked) he clearly lost and looked really sloppy.

 

[CR0W]

Diving for leglocks isnt aggressive. Its panicking.

Like Rory kept diving for the iminari roll isnt aggressive, its panicking.

Apart from one guy you mention has done it in every fight and basically all his wins come that way and the other simply tried it in a fight.

 

[Stunna77]

Diving for leglocks isnt aggressive. Its panicking.

Like Rory kept diving for the iminari roll isnt aggressive, its panicking.

Entwistle is a leglock specialist and aggressively goes after them. He is aggressively going for a finish with his best strength. See a theme here?

 

[Sillyfruit]

Apart from one guy you mention has done it in every fight and basically all his wins come that way and the other simply tried it in a fight.

Lol because he was fighting non ufc calibre europeans who couldnt grapple with a baby. I doubt they even know BJJ here.

 

[CR0W]

My point is Hooker's fights with Entwistle and that dude he guillotined are completely irrelevant when talking about Knight

Knight isn't going to dive for a leglock like a mong, and he isn't going to wrestle (presumably)

The only time he's fought an aggressive striker (Blanco, even though I thought he'd wrestle he mostly striked) he clearly lost and looked really sloppy.

Blanco would light Knight up on the feet too, plus you've got to filter in the threat of takedowns. Blanco landed takedowns and mixed it in well, he had Hooker on the back foot because of this. Knight doesn't have Blanco's wrestling, he has trip takedowns against the cage, nor is he as explosive.

 

[CR0W]

Lol because he was fighting non ufc calibre europeans who couldnt grapple with a baby. I doubt they even know BJJ here.

Doubting that you do either kid.

 

[Sillyfruit]

Entwistle is a leglock specialist and aggressively goes after them. He is aggressively going for a finish with his best strength. See a theme here?

Leglock specialist?

Jumping for something again and again knowing it is obvious as fuck is dumb.

 

[Sillyfruit]

Doubting that you do either kid.

Calling me kid, oh wow you're mature.

Take solace in the fact that you pay for me to shitpost on here.

 

[CR0W]

Calling me kid, oh wow you're mature.

Take solace in the fact that you pay for me to shitpost on here.

I pay tax for you too, I pay for your food and electricity by working.

Just call me daddy.

 

[Stunna77]

Leglock specialist?

Jumping for something again and again knowing it is obvious as fuck is dumb.

I agree it was dumb as fuck, but he went for it right from the bell, he wasn't instantly in a panic once the fight started. You are just looking to argue with JB and/or anyone who agrees with his opinion. It's annoyoing and clogging the thread.

 

[Sillyfruit]

I pay tax for you too, I pay for your food and electricity by working.

Just call me daddy.

Goes from taking the high road, to middle school level retorts.

What a fall from grace. Doesnt change the fact that im shitposting and you pay for it.

 

[Brick Top]

Blanco would light Knight up on the feet too, plus you've got to filter in the threat of takedowns. Blanco landed takedowns and mixed it in well, he had Hooker on the back foot because of this. Knight doesn't have Blanco's wrestling, he has trip takedowns against the cage, nor is he as explosive.

I think you're giving Blanco WAY too much credit lol. The threat of the takedown was irrelevant, most of the fight was a standup battle which is why both threw 200+ strikes. Hooker was just sloppy.

 

[CR0W]

Goes from taking the high road, to middle school level retorts.

What a fall from grace. Doesnt change the fact that im shitposting and you pay for it.

Doesn't change the fact that I'm superior in every way.

Love how you're getting agitated when someone comes back at you with you're own little childish gimmick hahahaha!

 

[CR0W]

I think you're giving Blanco WAY too much credit lol. The threat of the takedown was irrelevant, most of the fight was a standup battle which is why both threw 200+ strikes. Hooker was just sloppy.

Well, we'll agree to just leave it there I guess.

Neither of us are going to change the others mind and we've pretty much discussed all assets of the fight. The beauty is we'll get to find out on Saturday.

 

[Bands]

Agree with this. I do slightly lean Knight though because I think his kind of aggression scores well with the judges.

Yeah I see Knight coming forward and pressuring Hooker a lot, similar to what he did vs Alers. Neither guy has good wrestling so the majority of this fight will probably take place on the feet. This fight is just really hard to call, I can understand the arguments on both sides. I think Knight is a solid underdog play, I'm considering it. You know you're gonna get your moneys worth when you bet on Knight, the guy comes to fight and he comes to win. Pisses me off when I bet on guys like Yakovlev that decide they are going to run and fight like a pussy.

 

[Joseph Budden]

My point is Hooker's fights with Entwistle and that dude he guillotined are completely irrelevant when talking about Knight

Knight isn't going to dive for a leglock like a mong, and he isn't going to wrestle (presumably)

The only time he's fought an aggressive striker (Blanco, even though I thought he'd wrestle he mostly striked) he clearly lost and looked really sloppy.

Cause we're talking about approach, not style. And I mean, you made our example for us. If you don't care to pay mind to Eddiva and Ian's approach to fighting cause stylistically they are different, than thats fine. But there's Blanco, who further proves our point about how Hooker will respond to aggressiveness the same no matter what the style of fighter. He came with the wild striking, and Hooker threw back the entire time

How do you expect Hooker to react when Knight gets aggressive if you disagree with us on that?