UFC's greatest fighter?

zerofux said:
McGregor is greater than Mighty Mouse. Conor's loss to Nate is the equivalent of MM jumping up in weight and losing to Holloway or Poirier. MM would never do that, because he's not a true warrior like Conor. McGregor laid waste to a division that was more impressive than MM's and did it in much more devastating fashion.
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Conor beat up "midgets" in his own words.
 
Lucifer Alpha said:
Conor beat up "midgets" in his own words.
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Mostly midgets. Poirier and Holloway aren't midgets. You can only fight the guys they put in front of you. Does Jon Jones's height advantage diminish his greatness?
 
zerofux said:
Mostly midgets. Poirier and Holloway aren't midgets. You can only fight the guys they put in front of you. Does Jon Jones's height advantage diminish his greatness?
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You know DJ fought Cruz, right? and he didn't whine about it afterward like Conor does with Nate.
 
Might be in the minority here but for greatest in terms of sheer entertainment nobody beats Vitor Belfort.
 
LouisBolanos said:
P4P is pure fantasy because of the square-cube law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube_law#Biomechanics) that basically states if you were to isometrically scale MM to the size of Werdum, the bigger MM would retain significantly less speed/strength/durability than predicted due to the limit of human biomechanics. In other words, MM can do the stuff he does and move the way he does at the speed he can because he's small, a lot of it has nothing to do with skill or athleticism, they're just results of the biomechanics of scale. You can't really compare him with Werdum.
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Yes, and that is why its hard to compare their skill set. But its not impossible.

We can't compare a FLW's physical attributes to a HW's , but we can compare it to fighters in their own weight class.

Is Werdum as fast as most other top HW's? Or athletic? Ne he's not. DJ ? Yes he is,even faster.

This was just an example.
 
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SirKratos said:
Yes, and that is why its hard to compare their skill set. But its not impossible.
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It's not hard at all. Just pretend like you were a mutant superhero and could drain the knowledge and skills of any fighter in MMA and make it your own. Who would you pick?

Those are the most skilled fighters.
 
EGarrett said:
It's Georges. Retired with the title on a 12-fight winning streak. Class act. Never got caught on steroids, cocaine, HGH etc etc.
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Instances of recreational drug use should not be a 100% blocker. That's ridiculous. If the NFL was wise enough to allow Lawrence Taylor (one of the greatest linebackers of all time) into the NFL HOF... the UFC and fans should recognize athletes with cases of recreational drug use as well. The rest of your criteria seem relatively reasonable.

My choice is either Jones or Silva.
 
SirKratos said:
Yes, and that is why its hard to compare their skill set. But its not impossible.

We can't compare a FLW's physical attributes to a HW's , but we can compare it to fighters in their own weight class.

Is Werdum as fast as most other top HW's? Or athletic? Ne he's not. DJ ? Yes he is,even faster.

This was just an example.
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Huh? Why would MM's dominance over other little guys have any relevance in the discussion of who's the better fighter? Werdum is a far better fighter than MM, because he's got a huge size advantage, and size is a big part of fighting.

Saying MM is more dominant/athletic than his little peers is like saying the Williams sisters are more dominant, more athletic compared to their peers than the 20th ranked male tennis player is compared to his. It's true, massively so in fact.

But are the Williams sisters better tennis players than the 20th ranked male tennis player? Absolutely not. How dominant/athletic they are relative to the other girls, how many titles they win in women's tennis, they're completely irrelevant, if the 20th ranked guy could beat them in a tennis match because he's physically superior, well then he's the better tennis player.

All this complicated fantasy P4P stuff is nothing but feel good little guy empowerment fluff. It's not limited to the UFC either, you got little people weight classes in boxing and you have the Paralympics where you can get gold medals for running 100m in 17 seconds provided you're missing the right body parts.

Lucifer Alpha said:
It's not hard at all. Just pretend like you were a mutant superhero and could drain the knowledge and skills of any fighter in MMA and make it your own. Who would you pick?

Those are the most skilled fighters.
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None. I'd rather drain the strength and durability of the cockroaches running around in my kitchen and scale it to human size. I'd murk the entire UFC roster by myself even with zero MMA knowledge since I'm basically terminator with 10x speed.
 
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LouisBolanos said:
Huh? Why would MM's dominance over other little guys have any relevance in the discussion of who's the better fighter? Werdum is a far better fighter than MM, because he's got a huge size advantage, and size is a big part of fighting.
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Why would MM's dominance over guys his own size have any relevance in the discussion of who's the better fighter, where HW's are fighting guys their own size as well? I don't know, you tell me.... Too fair?

Size would a big part of fighting IF we are talking about some future apocalypse scenario where you have to kill every human being who comes in your way, in order to survive.

In SPORTS, on the other hand, especially combat sports, thats not the case. Skill matters a lot more than anything else, where the size is give or take the same.
 
Lucifer Alpha said:
It's not complicated at all.
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It's more complicated than it should be.
Who's the better MMA fighter? Whoever wins in an MMA fight. No need to resort to thought experiments involving mutant superheroes and power draining. Occam's razor etc. etc.

SirKratos said:
Why would MM's dominance over guys his own size have any relevance in the discussion of who's the better fighter, where HW's are fighting guys their own size as well? I don't know, you tell me.... Too fair?

Size would a big part of fighting IF we are talking about some future apocalypse scenario where you have to kill every human being who comes in your way, in order to survive.

In SPORTS, on the other hand, especially combat sports, thats not the case.
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Like I already said, women don't play men in singles tennis either.

Doesn't change the fact that the 20th ranked, far less dominant male tennis player is a better tennis player than the best, most dominant female tennis player.

Just because there is unequal gender/size/whatever else based segregation in place doesn't change the reality of who's a better fighter or tennis player.

Also, we're not talking about some future apocalyptic kill-to-win scenario. WAT? We're talking good ol' fashioned open weight MMA fights, which is what the UFC started off as in the first place.
 
LouisBolanos said:
It's more complicated than it should be.
Who's the better MMA fighter? Whoever wins in an MMA fight. No need to resort to thought experiments involving mutant superheroes and power draining. Occam's razor etc. etc.
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Do you think Tyson Fury is a better boxer than Mayweather?
 
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