News UFC vs KSW: battle for Roberto Soldic. KSW offers 1 mln euro, UFC offers belt fight after three wins

My point is that you have to appeal to every other sensibility that goes beyond their dream of fighting in the UFC. Maybe that's not enough, it clearly varies from person to person. It goes back to what I said in my initial post in this topic: If he's listening to ONE I don't know why he wouldn't listen to Bellator and if he's listening to Bellator that's what my pitch would be. That's all I'm saying really. Every fighter's dream is to fight in the UFC because of the way the sport is structured. We all know this. It would be weird to dream anything else. However the UFC openly uses this as leverage in negotiations so you have to negotiate against them knowing that.


I don't understand why they'd have to pay him more then KSW. They still have significantly more prestige then KSW and ONE. If Bellator let him do a super fight in KSW a year maybe he could fulfill 2 contracts at once over a longer stretch. This is the flexibility I would be offering if I'm Scotty Cokes which again is all I'm really trying to iterate.


How many fighters leave UFC or One or PFL to fight in Bellator for less money? How many have done that? Bellator and One will have to pay more to land someone.

Guys leave for UFC and take less though because if you make it to the top you can make more as champ/PPV etc. Nobody is doing that to go to Bellator.
 
Part of me thinks he's using ONE to try and get a better deal from the UFC in a kind of "hurry up, other people are interested kind of way". That didn't really work for Kayla though.
Sure, I can appreciate the real possibility that's true. Then again speaking of Kayla she ultimately took Bellator's offer before PFL matched.
 
How many fighters leave UFC or One or PFL to fight in Bellator for less money? How many have done that? Bellator and One will have to pay more to land someone.

Guys leave for UFC and take less though because if you make it to the top you can make more as champ/PPV etc. Nobody is doing that to go to Bellator.
I meant more then KSW, not more then the UFC. If they could offer a deal roughly similar to KSW's offer but still more then the UFC offer. Same idea as Harrison (who accepted an offer from Bellator before PFL matched) and Horiguchi.

Guys take less to fight in the UFC, absolutely.
 
I meant more then KSW, not more then the UFC. If they could offer a deal roughly similar to KSW's offer but still more then the UFC offer. Same idea as Harrison (who accepted an offer from Bellator before PFL matched) and Horiguchi.

Guys take less to fight in the UFC, absolutely.

I doubt Bellator would match $268k a fight tbh. How many guys in Bellator are making that much?
 
I doubt Bellator would match $268k a fight tbh. How many guys in Bellator are making that much?
Some are. Soldic is a pretty special talent and he's up for grabs to at least some extent. Maybe you give him 200 or 225 flat and let him fight in KSW for 268 once a year.
 
Yeah Soldic to ONE would suck. I think I'd just as soon see him stay in KSW tbh. I'm still holding out hope Bellator could possibly get him and the fact he seems to be listening to ONE makes me think he'll listen to Bellator too. This is fan fiction but if I'm Coker I offer Soldic a similar opportunity as I offered Horiguchi where I'd let him occasionally fight in his domestic promotion he's loyal to and is paid well at. Keep the door ajar so to speak. I'd do the same for Mineev too.

UFC is obviously the UFC and as a pure fight fan seeing him in the mix there would be great too.
Mineev seems be a kind of guy that will fight once a year for Bellator if he will be signed. Like, for example there is no mma fights for him scheduled but he is fighting Timur Nikulin in boxing in July. Nikulin is from pop mma/bare knuckle boxing scene and if I am not mistaken brags that all his boxing training is boxing classes at his university once or two times in a week.
 
Yeah Soldic to ONE would suck. I think I'd just as soon see him stay in KSW tbh. I'm still holding out hope Bellator could possibly get him and the fact he seems to be listening to ONE makes me think he'll listen to Bellator too. This is fan fiction but if I'm Coker I offer Soldic a similar opportunity as I offered Horiguchi where I'd let him occasionally fight in his domestic promotion he's loyal to and is paid well at. Keep the door ajar so to speak. I'd do the same for Mineev too.

UFC is obviously the UFC and as a pure fight fan seeing him in the mix there would be great too.
It wouldnt make sense for Bellator to sign Soldic unless they are planning on going to Poland, or co-promote with KSW. Otherwise, Soldic is out of budget entirely.

If I was Bellator, I would offer the Bomfim brothers a nice contract for their upcoming trip to Brazil. That is a way better market than Poland and they could have someone to build up for future events.
 
Mineev seems be a kind of guy that will fight once a year for Bellator if he will be signed. Like, for example there is no mma fights for him scheduled but he is fighting Timur Nikulin in boxing in July. Nikulin is from pop mma/bare knuckle boxing scene and if I am not mistaken brags that all his boxing training is boxing classes at his university once or two times in a week.
That's the exact type of opportunity that fighting in Bellator would afford over UFC.
 
It wouldnt make sense for Bellator to sign Soldic unless they are planning on going to Poland, or co-promote with KSW. Otherwise, Soldic is out of budget entirely.

If I was Bellator, I would offer the Bomfim brothers a nice contract for their upcoming trip to Brazil. That is a way better market than Poland and they could have someone to build up for future events.
I think it makes sense for Bellator to try to sign every world class fighter that hits the market.
 
It wouldnt make sense for Bellator to sign Soldic unless they are planning on going to Poland, or co-promote with KSW. Otherwise, Soldic is out of budget entirely.

If I was Bellator, I would offer the Bomfim brothers a nice contract for their upcoming trip to Brazil. That is a way better market than Poland and they could have someone to build up for future events.
They have enough Brazilian fighters, signing the Bonfim brothers doesn't change a thing tbh, they could use that money to sign someone with more name value

For main cards:
Patricio, Patricky, Cyborg, Lyoto, Lima, Juliana, Goiti, Neiman, Higo

Prelims:
Golm, Carvalho, Augusto, Aguiar, Mattos, Mendonca, Talita, Giacomo, Robson, Mota, Seixas, de Jesus, Almeida, Porto, Dayana, Illara, Ellen, Breno, Otto, Arivaldo
 
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I think it makes sense for Bellator to try to sign every world class fighter that hits the market.
Bellator has a limited budget, though. That $250k per fight used for Soldic might be too steep for them. In other words, Soldic is not a name or needlemover by any means, so he might not be worth that much for them.
 
Bellator has a limited budget, though. That $250k per fight used for Soldic might be too steep for them. In other words, Soldic is not a name or needlemover by any means, so he might not be worth that much for them.
I just think that MMA has such low pay in general due to the way the UFC has set the market you're being penny wise but pound stupid when you pass on a world class fighter who has a following and can generate any amount of buzz for the promotion because it costs 50 or 100k more then you want it to.

Then again what do I know about Bellator's financial state. I suppose I'm being overly idealistic. There's always the real chance that he's dead set on the UFC too like hellowhosthat has pointed out. I just think when you're in their position you try to get creative to make as compelling an offer as possible in hope the fighter bites.
 
They have enough Brazilian fighters, signing the Bonfim brothers doesn't change a thing tbh, they could use that money to sign someone with more name value

For main cards:
Patricio, Patricky, Cyborg, Lyoto, Lima, Juliana, Goiti, Neiman, Higo

Prelims:
Golm, Carvalho, Augusto, Aguiar, Mattos, Mendonca, Talita, Giacomo, Robson, Mota, Seixas, de Jesus, Almeida, Porto, Dayana, Illara, Breno, Otto, Arivaldo
I think Cyborg, Patricio, Patricky, Lima, and Neiman might be trhe only ones with a bit of a name in Brazil but the rest are probably widely unknown even in Brazil. Machida finished his contract this last fight and I doubt Bellator will want to keep him. Im not saying the rest arent good but they I doubt you can build events around them.

The Bomfim brothers are very young and have a bit of hype behind them. The WW Bomfim, in particular, seems to be the next big thing and has a fun and exciting style. Get them now, give them a nice contract, and build them up for their Brazilian events, and fast track WW Bomfim for a title.

They will more than likely end up in the UFC, anyways, but if I was Bellator and had a bit of money to spare, that would be my move.
 
I just think that MMA has such low pay in general due to the way the UFC has set the market you're being penny wise but pound stupid when you pass on a world class fighter who has a following and can generate any amount of buzz for the promotion because it costs 50 or 100k more then you want it to.

Then again what do I know about Bellator's financial state. I suppose I'm being overly idealistic. There's always the real chance that he's dead set on the UFC too like hellowhosthat has pointed out. I just think when you're in their position you try to get creative to make as compelling an offer as possible in hope the fighter bites.
I agree, with your sentiment but it seems Bellator does not have a blank check to sign whoever they want. If that was the case then by all means sign away. For example, I would have rather let Bendo go to EagleFC and use that money to make good offers for these type of fighters (Soldic, Mineev, etc.). But being a former UFC champion will help you sell a bunch of tickets.
 
I just think that MMA has such low pay in general due to the way the UFC has set the market you're being penny wise but pound stupid when you pass on a world class fighter who has a following and can generate any amount of buzz for the promotion because it costs 50 or 100k more then you want it to.

Then again what do I know about Bellator's financial state. I suppose I'm being overly idealistic. There's always the real chance that he's dead set on the UFC too like hellowhosthat has pointed out. I just think when you're in their position you try to get creative to make as compelling an offer as possible in hope the fighter bites.
I agree, with your sentiment but it seems Bellator does not have a blank check to sign whoever they want. If that was the case then by all means sign away. For example, I would have rather let Bendo go to EagleFC and use that money to make good offers for these type of fighters (Soldic, Mineev, etc.). But being a former UFC champion will help you sell a bunch of tickets.
For example, Queally vs Benson is way more compelling for the Irish fans for the fact that Queally has an opportunity to beat a former UFC champion. That in itself can probably command higher price for tickets, which translates to Benson getting a nice new contract (that he doesnt deserve).

Soldic or Mineev hardly command that kind of ticket sales in Poland or Russia. Its just the way the market works.
 
Yeah Soldic to ONE would suck. I think I'd just as soon see him stay in KSW tbh. I'm still holding out hope Bellator could possibly get him and the fact he seems to be listening to ONE makes me think he'll listen to Bellator too. This is fan fiction but if I'm Coker I offer Soldic a similar opportunity as I offered Horiguchi where I'd let him occasionally fight in his domestic promotion he's loyal to and is paid well at. Keep the door ajar so to speak. I'd do the same for Mineev too.

UFC is obviously the UFC and as a pure fight fan seeing him in the mix there would be great too.

Let me Guess,One can offer Roberto to open a bank account with 0% taxes?
 
Part of me thinks he's using ONE to try and get a better deal from the UFC in a kind of "hurry up, other people are interested kind of way". That didn't really work for Kayla though.

Does UFC really want him? There are plenty of brazilians and American WHO är better
 
It wouldnt make sense for Bellator to sign Soldic unless they are planning on going to Poland, or co-promote with KSW. Otherwise, Soldic is out of budget entirely.

If I was Bellator, I would offer the Bomfim brothers a nice contract for their upcoming trip to Brazil. That is a way better market than Poland and they could have someone to build up for future events.

No chance they get the Bonfim's, those dudes are in the UFC by the end of the year.

With the Brazilians I'd say they have no chance with the Bonfims, Manumito, Petrino, Matsumoto, Felipe Lima or Bebezao.

They need to look more at people like Ary Farias and Mario Sousa who are major promotion quality but stumble at the wrong times when it comes to getting into the UFC.

Unless they're team Pitbull brothers it's going to be very hard to convince Brazilians who are close to UFC deals to sign.
 
No chance they get the Bonfim's, those dudes are in the UFC by the end of the year.

With the Brazilians I'd say they have no chance with the Bonfims, Manumito, Petrino, Matsumoto, Felipe Lima or Bebezao.

They need to look more at people like Ary Farias and Mario Sousa who are major promotion quality but stumble at the wrong times when it comes to getting into the UFC.

Unless they're team Pitbull brothers it's going to be very hard to convince Brazilians who are close to UFC deals to sign.
I agree, those fighters are UFC bound by the end of the year. What I meant was, that if Bellator is seriously looking to get a piece of the pie of the Brazilian MMA market they need a young Brazilian star-in-the-making, which they dont have one right now. So, throwing some decent money at one of these young blue chip prospect to be at their forefront of their Brazilian expedition would be the move to make. If they were paying $50k for Crosbie and over $100k for Jury, I cant see why they wouldnt spend that money on a Brazilian blue chip prospect and build him as they continue to go to Brazil.

Will it happen? Not likely but that would be my move.
 
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