News UFC/TKO is requesting an amendment change to the Ali Act

[Mob69]

yeah, and there are no major movies set to be released on DVDs. the movie business is fucked!

A misleading analogy. Keep living in denial.

1. Create a UFC of boxing. Award titles, keep fighters under contract, match up elite fighters each time out, no tune ups or cab drivers, ignore old sanctioning bodies, and stack cards.

2. Cut fighter pay drastically to ensure the venture is economically rational. Slash their pay to the bone. Make sure the promoters secure the bulk of the cash as they are the ones turning a failing business into a successful one.

3. Reduce the number of weight classes to the classic eight.

4. Reduce the number of rounds - 5 for regular bouts, 9 for world title fights - to ensure a better fit for modern TV audience which needs to sit through many fights on a card. Cultivate new fans. Long bouts are often dull. Shorter is better, like kickboxing.

5. Most importantly ignore anyone currently involved in the business or deluded critics on Sherdog.

 

[treelo]

A misleading analogy. Keep living in denial.

1. Create a UFC of boxing. Award titles, keep fighters under contract, match up elite fighters each time out, no tune ups or cab drivers, ignore old sanctioning bodies, and stack cards.

2. Cut fighter pay drastically to ensure the venture is economically rational. Slash their pay to the bone. Make sure the promoters secure the bulk of the cash as they are the ones turning a failing business into a successful one.

3. Reduce the number of weight classes to the classic eight.

4. Reduce the number of rounds - 5 for regular bouts, 9 for world title fights - to ensure a better fit for modern TV audience which needs to sit through many fights on a card. Cultivate new fans. Long bouts are often dull. Shorter is better, like kickboxing.

5. Most importantly ignore anyone currently involved in the business or deluded critics on Sherdog.

are you really young or just fucking stupid?

Stack cards...lol, the majority of UFC cards are full of shit fighters who cant finish a dinner, yesterdays card being a perfect example, 3 finishes in 12 fights

cut fighter pay, so one of the richest men in the world is paying the top fighters to fight each other, yet you think cutting fighter pay is going to do what(i dont need to you respond to this question, i am guessing you are going to say "to make them hungry" or some other bullshit)

i think you need to watch bare knuckle boxing or something like that, just cheap thrills quick fix with little skill, or maybe that slapfight thing

 

[Mob69]

are you really young or just fucking stupid?

Stack cards...lol, the majority of UFC cards are full of shit fighters who cant finish a dinner, yesterdays card being a perfect example, 3 finishes in 12 fights

cut fighter pay, so one of the richest men in the world is paying the top fighters to fight each other, yet you think cutting fighter pay is going to do what(i dont need to you respond to this question, i am guessing you are going to say "to make them hungry" or some other bullshit)

i think you need to watch bare knuckle boxing or something like that, just cheap thrills quick fix with little skill, or maybe that slapfight thing

UFC can stack cards when they want to, and virtually every card features a good array of ranked fighters. Unlike boxing. The UFC should certainly cut the number of cards to 25 or thereabouts, in order to stack them better, but the UFC is an economically viable business, unlike boxing.

No, don't cut fighter pay to 'keep them hungry'. Cut fighter pay to ensure that the business is economically viable and that the costs are not so high as to prohibit staging events. Top boxers are hugely overpaid relative to the revenue they generate; the costs associated with staging, promoting, and broadcasting events; and the media attention they generate (few newspapers or broadcast news outlets cover boxing nowadays, for example). If boxing was a financially attractive proposition - for promoters, broadcasters, or media outlets - the landscape would look quite different. The proof is in the pudding. These people are hugely overpaid and typically do nothing for the sport as a whole.

Radical reform is needed. The sport is basically economically unviable, a few 'super' fights excepted (and even there the revenue goes overwhelmingly to the fighters, there is little lasting impression for example in the form of a new audience, and no incentive left behind for anyone to invest and build).

A commercial mindset is not an option. Sadly many boxing fans have their eyes closed and thumbs wedged in their ears.

You have ad hominem insults. I have facts.

 

[randomg1t]

A misleading analogy. Keep living in denial.

1. Create a UFC of boxing. Award titles, keep fighters under contract, match up elite fighters each time out, no tune ups or cab drivers, ignore old sanctioning bodies, and stack cards.

2. Cut fighter pay drastically to ensure the venture is economically rational. Slash their pay to the bone. Make sure the promoters secure the bulk of the cash as they are the ones turning a failing business into a successful one.

3. Reduce the number of weight classes to the classic eight.

4. Reduce the number of rounds - 5 for regular bouts, 9 for world title fights - to ensure a better fit for modern TV audience which needs to sit through many fights on a card. Cultivate new fans. Long bouts are often dull. Shorter is better, like kickboxing.

5. Most importantly ignore anyone currently involved in the business or deluded critics on Sherdog.

you sound like a really great businessman, and even greater fan of the sport.

 

[SandisLL]

Keep fighrers under contracts and clauses more than Eddie& Co might do today..will be better for boxing?
Dana is more nasty than King was and old Bob or Eddie & Frank.
Beauty....everyone should dream about pro boxing under Dana. Bob will look more like charity santa claus if comare with Dana...Eddie and Frank too btw.

 

[Mob69]

you sound like a really great businessman, and even greater fan of the sport.

Mate - the viewers don’t show up. That’s the bottom line. Not enough of them, at least, to make the sport a viable commercial proposition. The occasional ‘spectacle’ bout - like Crawford-Canelo - doesn’t change that, or usually even achieve much.

You might not like it. Fine. But the consumer votes with their eyeballs, attention, and cash. The consumer has rendered their verdict.

Networks don’t want to broadcast the sport. Advertisers say “not interested”. That’s the reality.

A total overhaul is both warranted and urgent.

 

[Mob69]

Keep fighrers under contracts and clauses more than Eddie& Co might do today..will be better for boxing?
Dana is more nasty than King was and old Bob or Eddie & Frank.
Beauty....everyone should dream about pro boxing under Dana. Bob will look more like charity santa claus if comare with Dana...Eddie and Frank too btw.

A boxing UFC wouid be way better for the consumer.

People spend too much time worrying about fighter pay and contract rights. I assure you they don’t give a fuck how much we are paid. This is the entertainment business and these people are often vastly overpaid relative to the revenue and dismal ratings they generate.

 

[SandisLL]

Next thing is that 10 rounders obiviously are bare minimum to get who might be legit co tender for world title. .

12 or 15 round fights were because in a lot of cases one boxer had win vs opponent only when oponent was tired enough.
Old times had more rounds than 20...

 

[SandisLL]

A boxing UFC wouid be way better for the consumer.

People spend too much time worrying about fighter pay and contract rights. I assure you they don’t give a fuck how much we are paid. This is the entertainment business and these people are often vastly overpaid relative to the revenue and dismal ratings they generate.

What stuff ? If you are a business then you are as sole trader or even more like LLC....signing contracts.... where are clauses..... a lot....and these are binding agreements/ contracts. .

This is the same business like if you will purchase franchise rights or establish your own business. Nothing much different from this reality.
Lower ranked pro boxers usually does have 4, 6 or 8 rounds fights.
10 rounders are different league in general alone per se.

I agree that pro boxing mainly due to bunches of clauses does have too low numner of top level fights.....sometimes it is boring and boxers are getting older with low number of fights etc...

While Dana from one point wants to treat fighters like office employees and from another point like businesses he does have to respect a bit. Old Bob is saint if compare with Dana.
Despite Bob and Eddie induces for me vomit and Frank is even more boring...

 

[SandisLL]

I don't want to see puffy arses oppressing Ali act. Pretty opposite: I suport more high level fights and don't think that Dana might deliver..
In each weight class there are 800- 3000 pro boxers and why we cant't demand for example top 1 till 30 -50 to fight more often instead to waste time to listen and read noise?
Boring stuff and they are getting older ofc...
Sad stuff.
UFC under Dana will correct lesser than 1% from problems, IMHO...

 

[randomg1t]

Mate - the viewers don’t show up. That’s the bottom line. Not enough of them, at least, to make the sport a viable commercial proposition. The occasional ‘spectacle’ bout - like Crawford-Canelo - doesn’t change that, or usually even achieve much.

You might not like it. Fine. But the consumer votes with their eyeballs, attention, and cash. The consumer has rendered their verdict.

Networks don’t want to broadcast the sport. Advertisers say “not interested”. That’s the reality.

A total overhaul is both warranted and urgent.

you keep repeating the same tired lines that have been repeated by similar idiots for the past 30 years.

it's such a horrible declining business that promoters keep making events and fighters keep fighting in them. but we need to gut all regulation and let the bald buffoon take over the sport, cut everyone's purses and give us a shitty product, because when the promotion collects 90% of the revenue that is somehow better for the sport.

don't worry, they will fuck things up eventually. dana isn't up trump's ass 24/7 for the joy of it, he will get his return on investment. it just isn't the magical solution to your made up problem that you pretend it is. it's just horrible people fleecing athletes.

 

[treelo]

so the idea is to reduce the pay of the top fighters, the guys who bring in all the numbers, and pay the blokes fighting in the small hall shows more because...thats what the UFC do

that isnt common sense n the slightest, why dont we put on a Ben Whittaker fight at Wembley and see if he sells 90k tickets and a shit load of DAZN subs

its just absolute nonsense from someone who looks at the UFC and says "that model is great"

90% of the UFC fighters are absolute fucking garbage and are part time fighters, which is why they get paid peanuts to fight and bring in no viewers

there are maybe about 2/3 fighters in each UFC division worth watching..if that, im possibly stretching it, and it doesnt have to be a sustainable business model because boxing isnt owned by a greedy corporation, its ran by independent promotors and fighters actually have rights, you want to change that so it looks like the UFC and guys with little skills are being paid £80k a year and then having to pay a fortune for training as well, you can earn more being a bricklayer or a plumber

 

[treelo]

A boxing UFC wouid be way better for the consumer.

People spend too much time worrying about fighter pay and contract rights. I assure you they don’t give a fuck how much we are paid. This is the entertainment business and these people are often vastly overpaid relative to the revenue and dismal ratings they generate.

bareknuckle FC is that way my friend

shit fighters with shit skills getting paid shit amounts of money, but hey, its exciting

 

[wwkirk]

Dana not being able to get into boxing unless they get rid of the Ali act tells you all you need to know

“UFC/TKO is requesting an amendment change to the Ali Act”

That’s a scary quote that should be a wake up call to every professional boxer in the United States. In short the Ali Act gives professional boxers protection from exploitative contracts, let…

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How much danger is there that Dana/TKO will succeed? Who has to get involved to actually change the law?

 

[treelo]

How much danger is there that Dana/TKO will succeed? Who has to get involved to actually change the law?

all it will do is end boxing in the US if it gets changed, which TBH isnt going to have that much of an impact on world boxing as most US fighters are shite and cant draw the curtains

 

[randomg1t]

How much danger is there that Dana/TKO will succeed? Who has to get involved to actually change the law?

congress draws up new legislation, senate confirms it, the president signs it into law. it may sound like a difficult thing to do, but congress and senate are currently doing everything the president asks them to do, and dana is besties with him. it's going to happen, they have at least 2 years to do this, possibly 4.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

so the idea is to reduce the pay of the top fighters, the guys who bring in all the numbers, and pay the blokes fighting in the small hall shows more because...thats what the UFC do

that isnt common sense n the slightest, why dont we put on a Ben Whittaker fight at Wembley and see if he sells 90k tickets and a shit load of DAZN subs

its just absolute nonsense from someone who looks at the UFC and says "that model is great"

90% of the UFC fighters are absolute fucking garbage and are part time fighters, which is why they get paid peanuts to fight and bring in no viewers

there are maybe about 2/3 fighters in each UFC division worth watching..if that, im possibly stretching it, and it doesnt have to be a sustainable business model because boxing isnt owned by a greedy corporation, its ran by independent promotors and fighters actually have rights, you want to change that so it looks like the UFC and guys with little skills are being paid £80k a year and then having to pay a fortune for training as well, you can earn more being a bricklayer or a plumber

I'm not sure why you used the adjective to describe the corporation as greedy. Obviously corporations are greedy, but you're phrasing it like the promoters in boxing are not greedy, when they have the same exact goals and ethics as the UFC.


As for there only being 2/3 guys in each division worth watching...I mean if you're not a big fan, then yes. Then you could say the same exact thing for boxing. It's the norm for people to call everyone outside hte top 2 guys in a division bums in boxing fandom.


Plumbers make more money than both boxers and MMA fighters, so not really a great example there. Fighting isn't a real job.

I still hope this doesn't happen in boxing, but you're making it seem like boxing is some great wonderland of athletics when it's just as degenerate of an industry as MMA. Boxing is just as ruthless, if not more so than MMA.

 

[David R]

 

[wwkirk]

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So, the bill has bipartisan backing…

 

[randomg1t]

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there you go, they'll get this passed and disarm the ali act entirely.