News UFC Stats: Volkanovski wins based on numbers

[El Fernas]

i did watch the fight and scored 3 4 5 for Volk and then looked at the stats and saw that I was correct. It sounds like a lot of people on sherdog were influenced by Bisping's commentary.

I have to stop you right there, i was indeed watching Bisping commentary, but a few people i know were watching with ESPN latin commentary, they say the same thing, robbery.

 

[Dorkman]

I wasn't really convinced either had won by the end of it. But based on the scoring i felt like it was going to Volk. RD 3 was the real deciding rd as it was the closest and it did feel like Volk was landing the bigger stuff that rd from what I was watching. Mind you was also playing cards with the fellas at the time too, so wasn't one of my most in depth watches. Max's 1 and 2 were better than any of volks 3 rounds I felt. But unfortunately the scoring system is what it is, so under those conditions they agreed to compete under Volk for the decision felt ok to me.

 

[PitDoggMMA]

http://www.ufcstats.com/fight-details/94b1596c6ff9a25d

Volk out landed him in rounds 3,4,5 and had 3 take downs to none.

Bisping commentary seems to have influenced a lot of Sherdog that Holloway was winning. Bisping might lie, but the numbers don't lie.

Bullshit.

Max owned the center of the ring. Backed-up Volk 90% of the time. Dropped him twice, two different rounds. Outstruck the shit out of him Rounds 1-2.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Exactly. Volk won under our current scoring system. Everyone is just salty that their boy lost.
It was insanely close. I would like to see a rubber match.

how can there be a rubber match? Max lost twice.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

No way. Popped straight back up. Clear 10-9s imo. 10-8s are a mauling

then what's a 10-7? a death? they stole the scoring system from boxing, and in boxing you get a 10-8 for a knockdown.

 

[Matthew Fedler]

Forgive me if I'm missing it but it appears they didn't award Max any knockdowns for the fight.

I’d be interested in reading their criteria — in boxing going down to a knee is considered a knockdown, but apparently you have to go down to the mat in MMA?

They do almost the opposite for takedowns — most of Khabib’s ‘takedowns’ in his record-setting performance against Trujillo would only be considered ‘mat returns’ in actual wrestling competition (if you don’t relinquish control when the opponent stands up it isn’t considered a separate takedown).

 

[DonQ94]

Stats should not be the determining factor to judge if someone won the round. The judges don't have access to them either, for a good reason.

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

At least one of those was a 10-8 round

Nope, this is not boxing.

 

[babyboy12]

maybe watch the fight instead of relying on stats. stats don't win fights

This is for the crybabies saying Max outstruck Volk which isn’t true.

 

[maximus__]

At least one of those was a 10-8 round

Which one? The rounds were max barely edged it with a flash knock down?

 

[Andreh]

UFC stats...

Next.

 

[kuroro]

http://www.ufcstats.com/fight-details/94b1596c6ff9a25d

Volk out landed him in rounds 3,4,5 and had 3 take downs to none.

Bisping commentary seems to have influenced a lot of Sherdog that Holloway was winning. Bisping might lie, but the numbers don't lie.

fight stats lie all the time. they're counted by dumb ass people, not special super computers.

 

[EmbraceTheGrind]

Funny stats. Significant strikes is a completely subjective thing and they have counted many of his leg strikes as SS. Max wasnt even immobilized like the last fight and hence those leg strikes didnt do much.

and volk was never wobbled . Whoopsies .

 

[Individualthoughtpatterns]

At least one of those was a 10-8 round

Nope

 

[maximus__]

Bullshit.

Max owned the center of the ring. Backed-up Volk 90% of the time. Dropped him twice, two different rounds. Outstruck the shit out of him Rounds 1-2.

The head kick was a good knockdown. The one at the end of the first wasn't much at all.
Max didn't outstrike the shit out of him over the first two rounds. He won those rounds due to the knockdowns. Before that they were pretty even.
Bisping played you with his commentary. Max took the first two rounds IMO because he was immediately countering everytime Volk threw.
That dropped off over the last 3 rounds and Volk started having more success. Close fight that could go either way on first watch but I believe Volk took it.

 

[Anewt]

then what's a 10-7? a death? they stole the scoring system from boxing, and in boxing you get a 10-8 for a knockdown.

Oh so everyone's complaining about the 10 point round system because it comes from boxing..but you want a 10-8 because boxing gives a 10-8 round.

A death? What the hell are you talking about he got knocked down at the end of two rounds for a combined second of time and was throwing back at max within 2 seconds both times.

A 10-7 would be the opponent not throwing a single strike throughout the round and being knocked down numerous times. Or being knocked down once and grounded and pounded for the entirety of the round.

A 10-8 would be some offense mounted but say 4 minutes of receiving a beating and a mauling. probably more than one knockdown or extended periods of turtling.

A 10-9 would be a relatively close round in terms of striking output or controll / grappling with a flash knockdown or a round stealing takedown. Like what happened.....

 

[estranged]

Max won

 

[Anewt]

Stats should not be the determining factor to judge if someone won the round. The judges don't have access to them either, for a good reason.

Good point. Let's go by the judges. =)

 

[Brom Bones]

I get where you're coming from, but FUCK THE NUMBERS. My eyes told me Volk had the harder strikes in rounds 3-5, which he won. They landed about the same number of strikes.

The takedowns weren't that effective, but it didn't matter much, since Volk hit harder than Max. They were just the icing on the cake. I know this is a Sherdog forum, but the idiotic responses here.

"Max got two knockdowns." That's like when kids are trying to argue and say shit that doesn't make sense or a small part of the big picture. It's pointless trying to reason with these fools.

 

[Huligani]

Take your logic and fuck off