News UFC Hall of Famer Stephan Bonnar died from accidental fentanyl overdose

[ferrisjso]

Why, though? All you're doing is killing your customers.

The issue is what they're selling has inherent demand even if they kill off all their customers. They're doing it cause it's cheaper.

 

[jeff7b9]

Cannabis has enough options for every one. Why are people taking these risks with other drugs that might be laced?

 

[jeff7b9]

The drug supply has become tainted. Can’t even blow a couple of lines anymore without risking your life. fentanyl is some serious shit.

Anyone doing hard drugs, street drugs at this point should invest in a drug testing kit from the internet.

Small investment that very very literally will save your life and maybe your friends lives.

Also, narcan should be available everywhere, free and anonymous.

 

[brackis1]

It is sad because everyone knows that when they hear a young person dies "unexpectedly" their first thought is it is fentanyl related.

I would be ok with the death penalty for importers and makers of fentanyl and its derivatives. It is a scourge that has gone unchecked for far too long.

Need the opposite: legalize all drugs and don't imprison addicts.
Fentanyl in drugs is a direct result of things being illegal and desperate addicts willing to seek out the shittiest outlets for their problems.
I used to work closely for a pseudo-celebrity and he died from fentanyl contamination too.

 

[Kyd Blake]

Then stop doing drugs. Problem solved.

Have some empathy. I don't know about you, but people have mental, physical, and emotional pain and issues that are too expensive for many people in the USA to get treated for with traditional medical care with the healthcare system in this country being privatized and basically made strictly for profit instead of actually helping people. If you don't have the funds to cover expensive hospital bills or don't have pricey health insurance (Medicaid sucks and many providers don't accept it) you tend suffer and/or die from your ailments. So with nowhere else to turn, people turn to the black market to attempt heal their various wounds with a variety of narcotics and many drugs nowadays contain and or cut with fentanyl. The cartel doesn't give a fuck, and usually neither do the addicts, they just want to feel better and/or get their fix.

I mostly smoke weed but have dabbled with a little bit of everything and been in the game long enough to know it's not just cut and dry to "don't do drugs." Withdrawals can be extremely unpleasant and painful and can even kill you in some cases depending on the vice. Of course there are strung out shitheads with no moral compass doing any crime they can to get their fix, but not all users and addicts are like that. People like you with that anti-drug sentiment are the reason these people who just need medical assistance or help kicking the habit are now flooding jails and prisons getting unfairly exploited for their labor by our government who take advantage of this entire situation to make a profit. Then they get back out to be addicted again and the cycle continues.

This sick system has killed Bonnar and has killed countless others and will continue to do so, and the most the politicians and law enforcement do is criminalize use instead of address the problem with empathy and care for its own citizens. I don't see the problem ever getting solved and will just keep getting worse, and the judgemental "don't do drugs" crowd are direct contributors to the problem. We need a better healthcare system and less judgement and less criminalization if this problem is to ever get better.

It's not gunna happen though and most won't realize this is a huge problem until it's too late.

 

[TheNinja]

It’s not really about how easy it is to get, it’s that the drug dealers are putting it in every drug now. People think they are doing cocaine, ecstasy, Xanax, etc but it is laced with fentanyl and most people die… pretty sad and fd situation…

But why do dealers put it in their drugs ? Dead customers aren’t very good long term customers.

 

[Poirierfan]

That'll do it...

 

[M4D SCIENTIST]

Had kratom and fent in his system.

Sad. Might have been trying to quit the stuff

This is actually scary. If he had kratom in his system n died from an “accidental fentanyl overdose”, it makes me think there was possibly fentanyl in his kratom. That shit ain’t regulated and I’ve taken some kinds of kratom that definitely had something in it. Crazy shit. RIP Bonnar.

 

[warriorfan808]

Damn, that is horrible to see. I wish he was able to get cleaned up.

 

[ferrisjso]

Cannabis has enough options for every one. Why are people taking these risks with other drugs that might be laced?

Weed is not for everyone. In terms of cocaine and stimulants those drugs do pretty much the opposite thing weed does.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Have some empathy. I don't know about you, but people have mental, physical, and emotional pain and issues that are too expensive for many people in the USA to get treated for with traditional medical care with the healthcare system in this country being privatized and basically made strictly for profit instead of actually helping people. If you don't have the funds to cover expensive hospital bills or don't have pricey health insurance (Medicaid sucks and many providers don't accept it) you tend suffer and/or die from your ailments. So with nowhere else to turn, people turn to the black market to attempt heal their various wounds with a variety of narcotics and many drugs nowadays contain and or cut with fentanyl. The cartel doesn't give a fuck, and usually neither do the addicts, they just want to feel better and/or get their fix.

I mostly smoke weed but have dabbled with a little bit of everything and been in the game long enough to know it's not just cut and dry to "don't do drugs." Withdrawals can be extremely unpleasant and painful and can even kill you in some cases depending on the vice. Of course there are strung out shitheads with no moral compass doing any crime they can to get their fix, but not all users and addicts are like that. People like you with that anti-drug sentiment are the reason these people who just need medical assistance or help kicking the habit are now flooding jails and prisons getting unfairly exploited for their labor by our government who take advantage of this entire situation to make a profit. Then they get back out to be addicted again and the cycle continues.

This sick system has killed Bonnar and has killed countless others and will continue to do so, and the most the politicians and law enforcement do is criminalize use instead of address the problem with empathy and care for its own citizens. I don't see the problem ever getting solved and will just keep getting worse, and the judgemental "don't do drugs" crowd are direct contributors to the problem. We need a better healthcare system and less judgement and less criminalization if this problem is to ever get better.

It's not gunna happen though and most won't realize this is a huge problem until it's too late.

Canada has SPHC and has a fent OD rate per capita on par with the US. Infact the province with the highest rate also has had a de facto decriminalization policy for years and a de jure policy for nearly a year without any reduction. People just actively seek the drug out.

 

[treestump]

This is basically the case. Our social welfare and healthcare systems are broken, largely because we are too busy fomenting and funding endless wars. There is no doubt that Bonnar was in pain, it is just that most people do not understand what it is like to live in chronic pain, especially at the higher levels. Even lower level chronic pain is awful after a long enough time. The "Chinese Water Torture" is a thing for a reason. Do they call it waterboarding now? Idk. Anyway, pain hurts.



Did you ever stop to think that maybe he was seeking prescription medication because he was...in pain? The two issues are separate. Any chronic pain patient who takes medication that is addictive will eventually become...addicted. To blame the person for being in pain and needing medication is baffling, but we do it every day in Puritan America. A lot of people suffer as a result. You might look like a jerk, too if you were in dire need of something that someone was withholding from you, but pretending that they might give you if you go to an appointment. It is a really weird situation to be in.

I say this as a person with chronic pain, who was treated with prescription medication, and decided to stop taking them and find other ways to deal with the pain until it gets worse. I think about going to the doctor for prescription medication a lot, but I don't because I know they come with a slew of issues that can make it harder for a person in pain, especially if they don't have a proper support network, which nobody really has in this country because it is so messed up. One of the big reasons I don't take them is because people don't understand and judge harshly people who take them for any reason.

Anyway, I don't think anyone should judge Bonnar for being in pain and seeking relief from it. I guarantee that if you people get into a car accident tomorrow and you are left in chronic pain for the rest of your life, you will have a good chance of going down the road he went, too.



I use Cannabis, but it doesn't help with pain. It helps me forget that I'm in pain. Also helps with sleep and appetite. Not pain, though.

Great post

 

[mihailovich]

Then stop doing drugs. Problem solved.

That's an ignorant boomer take if I've ever seen one.

RIP Bonnar.

 

[andrejxvii]

It is sad because everyone knows that when they hear a young person dies "unexpectedly" their first thought is it is fentanyl related.

 

[bjjHERRERA]

stay away from anything that could have that garbage in it boys

 

[World eater]

One of the reasons I never complain when a fighter gets out of the sport healthy, while many complain it was too soon. Anyone who had a serious training injury knows how badly that shit hurts. I had issues with my right fist, left shoulder and back (spine) and it was awful, can’t even imagine the amount of pain one goes through after multiple surgeries and years of pro level training. A friend of mine who went pro suffered a heart attack at age 33 and is still on painkillers at age 42. It never ends.
RIP Bonnar. Hope you found peace.

 

[corrupted]

It's very unfortunate. All it takes is one bad step for an avalanching effect and the only people who probably could've made a difference was his close friends/family imo.

I really wish the UFC would try and hire as many post retirement fighters for random roles within the company to give them some sort of purpose.

In all fairness, they did. I think they let him go after a couple of drunk run -ins with the law. I think the last one was pretty bad.

 

[corrupted]

Cannabis has enough options for every one. Why are people taking these risks with other drugs that might be laced?

Because it’s quicker and you can carry on as if the injury doesn’t exist. Thereby obviously worsening the injury and compounding your need for the drug.

Theae athletes have been popping pills for decades. Give most the choice, they take the pill and carry on

 

[mjoln]

That shit is so lethal you cant call it accidental.

But I dont blame that drug. Drug problem is not your primary problem, there is something behind it.

 

[Jasper_RB81]

Not really a surprise, he looked really bad the last times you saw him on anything.
Really sad, the guy was a legend and helped the sport tremendously.

RIP Bonnar.