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UFC 257: McGregor vs. Poirier 2

SolarSeiko said:
didnt he talk shit about felder and said he'd fold him like a lawn chair?

Then rewind and look at how he literally "folded" himself vs barboza.




now compare that with the body shot jeremy stevens took from aldo. dropped him but he kept fighting.
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unfair i think, it was R3 after a long series of body shots including a spinning back kick to the midsection prior to that. He didn't fold to a single shot.
 
longway said:
unfair i think, it was R3 after a long series of body shots including a spinning back kick to the midsection prior to that. He didn't fold to a single shot.
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thats fine. we dont have to agree. the way he falls down makes me believe he gave up. then i look at jeremy and see his face grimace in pain and he drops but keeps trying to defend himself. Hooker completely fell down and didn't protect himself knowing the ref would stop it.
 
SolarSeiko said:
thats fine. we dont have to agree. the way he falls down makes me believe he gave up. then i look at jeremy and see his face grimace in pain and he drops but keeps trying to defend himself. Hooker completely fell down and didn't protect himself knowing the ref would stop it.
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I feel like you're reaching a bit with the ''gives up narrative'', the Barboza fight was one of the most brutal beatdowns in recent UFC history.
 
DonQ94 said:
I feel like you're reaching a bit with the ''gives up narrative'', the Barboza fight was one of the most brutal beatdowns in recent UFC history.
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Im telling you how i view it. if you think its reaching then thats fine. jeremy kept fighting, hooker chose to stop moving completely while still conscious.

i wouldnt even call their fight one of the most brutal beatdowns in recent ufc history either.
 
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SolarSeiko said:
thats fine. we dont have to agree. the way he falls down makes me believe he gave up. then i look at jeremy and see his face grimace in pain and he drops but keeps trying to defend himself. Hooker completely fell down and didn't protect himself knowing the ref would stop it.
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I think he did break mentally as well, but his body gave up too. It's not like a Mctapper give up, where he knows he has lost and just taps rather than dragging it out, but a give up from total physical and mental overload. hard to do anything but credit the guy for even trying to keep going forward until that point given the punishment he was receiving.
 
longway said:
I think he did break mentally as well, but his body gave up too. It's not like a Mctapper give up, where he knows he has lost and just taps rather than dragging it out, but a give up from total physical and mental overload. hard to do anything but credit the guy for even trying to keep going forward until that point given the punishment he was receiving.
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lol we can agree on mctapper.
 
DonQ94 said:
I feel like you're reaching a bit with the ''gives up narrative'', the Barboza fight was one of the most brutal beatdowns in recent UFC history.
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Reaching a bit? You’re being nice :rolleyes:

It was one of the most brutal beatdowns indeed. I just don’t understand how anyone could perceive that performance as giving up or quitting. Not at all, it’s like I have watched a different fight.

Barboza kicked his ass from the opening bell. He fractured Hooker’s skull in the second round and hit him with horrible body shots, both kicks and punches. Maybe some knees too, I’m not sure. Hooker had a concussion. He had to have a damn surgery after the fight to fix his skull!

If he thought he had lost the fight and was ready to call it quits, why in the hell would he suffer and walk through 50 more blows from one of the most feared strikers in the whole UFC? He went as long as his body allowed him to go. Everyone was shocked from how much damage he took in there and praised him for trying until his body just couldn’t.

This was a bit off topic but I really don’t know what some of you have been watching...
 
Brad Tavares? Yes? No?

Has the jab which gave ACJ a lot of trouble against Hall, has a powerful effective calf kick, has very good TDD (Even statistically it's 77%). ACJ is a sitting duck for the jab, light on his feet early but then he slows and he's lead leg heavy.

Downside is Tavares has fought for only 2.5 minutes in the past 3 years, and is coming off of an ACL surgery in February.
 
Spath said:
Reaching a bit? You’re being nice :rolleyes:

It was one of the most brutal beatdowns indeed. I just don’t understand how anyone could perceive that performance as giving up or quitting. Not at all, it’s like I have watched a different fight.

Barboza kicked his ass from the opening bell. He fractured Hooker’s skull in the second round and hit him with horrible body shots, both kicks and punches. Maybe some knees too, I’m not sure. Hooker had a concussion. He had to have a damn surgery after the fight to fix his skull!

If he thought he had lost the fight and was ready to call it quits, why in the hell would he suffer and walk through 50 more blows from one of the most feared strikers in the whole UFC? He went as long as his body allowed him to go. Everyone was shocked from how much damage he took in there and praised him for trying until his body just couldn’t.

This was a bit off topic but I really don’t know what some of you have been watching...
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Yeah completely agree, I think questioning Hooker here as a quitter is unfair. Was on Barboza heavily (for me) for that fight and I never thought Barboza would put the beating he did on Hooker. His legs got smashed the first half of the fight (which actually made it more impressive he was able to stay standing when the real punishment started later), he took a lot of hard shots to the head throughout then second round onwards after his legs were taken Barb focused on huge kicks and hooks to the body, flush liver shots and still Hooker absorbed a ton of flush shots from probably the hardest kicker at 155 before his body just it crumpled and couldn't take any more abuse - the punch to finish it may not have been much alone but the abuse proceeding it would have finished most people a lot sooner - probably Gaethje and Ferg survive that punishment, maybe Dustin but I'm not sure who else at 155.

I think if saying someone quit there, you'd have to make a similar argument when someone's brain can't take anymore and turns off for a KO.

Not that the above is relevant to the Chandler fight at all though.
 
conor vs dustin under 2.5 at 1.70 is interesting, especially if you like conor.
 
SolarSeiko said:
didnt he talk shit about felder and said he'd fold him like a lawn chair?

Then rewind and look at how he literally "folded" himself vs barboza.




now compare that with the body shot jeremy stevens took from aldo. dropped him but he kept fighting.
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<Huh2>

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: he took double digit amount of those kicks straight in the gut and didn't completely stop fighting at any point.. you really read some insane things in here at times
 
Hooker definitely doesn't quit but he pretty much breaks down and he slows down in wars. He almost lost that Felder fight due to Paul wearing damage better naturally than Dan does. And to me Dan seemed the better fighter by a mile.
 
sonhow said:
Hooker definitely doesn't quit but he pretty much breaks down and he slows down in wars. He almost lost that Felder fight due to Paul wearing damage better naturally than Dan does. And to me Dan seemed the better fighter by a mile.
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The fight though is only three rounds and in both of his last two fights (five rounders) he won at-least two of the first three rounds on the scorecard of every single judge.

The fight only being three rounds should massively favor Hooker.
 
UFCIsNOTRigged said:
The fight though is only three rounds and in both of his last two fights (five rounders) he won at-least two of the first three rounds on the scorecard of every single judge.

The fight only being three rounds should massively favor Hooker.
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He seems beastly in those early rounds for sure. I wouldn't be shocked either way that fight goes. Chandler to me still feels pretty underrated overall despite long career fighting good and versatile competition.
 
BigSteve said:
man, imagine showing the heart and resilience Hooker showed in that Barboza fight, and then have people call him a quitter hahah
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lol well its just me calling him more of a quitter. i dont agree that getting your ass kicked left to right = showing heart and resilience though. Frankie Edgar's last fight showed heart and resilience or Overeem when he fought Walt imo. I do think Hooker beats Chandler though.
 
BigSteve said:
man, imagine showing the heart and resilience Hooker showed in that Barboza fight, and then have people call him a quitter hahah
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It wasn’t the most one-sided fight I’ve seen, but that was probably the worst beatdown in recent history. Barboza is maybe the P4P hardest kicker in MMA and he beat the shit out of Hooker’s legs, body and head for 2.5 rounds.
 
I don’t really like Hooker, but he’s got heart. I don’t think anybody in here could take kicks from Barboza without a liver transplant afterwards
 
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