UFC 209 - Twood vs Wonderboy II - Vegas

[bruthead]

For those of us on Ferguson would it be wiser to bet him now or wait until closer to the fight?

Wait for Barry and his subscribers to hammer the Khabib line.

Kebab now -210 lol is this russian money?

Barry.

 

[Sham5916910]

Lol that is quite the flashback

Khabib is 50x the grappler Tony is, his fancy guard isn't gonna do anything beside open him up for gnp and back takes

Thr question in this fight is the same as any Khabib fight, can he get it down ? If you think he can bet Khabib, I personally think he can with relative ease

Tony's durability is his best asset in this fight, but I think he gets smashed up for a couple rounds before Khabib subs him

Kebab subs no one unless they have no ground game ala mj. He doesnt even go for subs

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

R2 minute by minute scoring:

5:00-4:00
Nothing happens on either end. A kick blocked for each man, with WB's being a slightly more dangerous attack. WB walks T down very close to the cage the entire time. WB winning so far. "10-9" WB

4:00-3:00
WB hops in with a decent combo, gets clinched and turned around against the cage. Few small shots in the clinch, T doesn't actively go for a TD but why else clinch? WB reverses position fairly quickly. T turns him back again, they exchange pitter-patter punches from clinch. Very even exchange, a slight case could be made for Woodley because he was the slightly more aggressive fighter. "10-10"

3:00-2:00
WB finally breaks free of the clinch and separates 15s in here. T getting walked down again, WB mostly misses with a light combo. Woodley rushes forward and tries to return fire as WB clears away. Nothing much happens again, but WB still the more aggressive fighter. "10-9" WB

2:00-1:00
5s in here and WB hits a spinning back kick. Easily the most effective strike of the round so far. WB with a few combo attacks that don't do much, though one seems to land somewhat around 1:15, and it forces T to backup and separate. Decent leg kick by T, WB responds with a decent little combo. "10-9" WB

1:00-0:00
Big overhand from T misses early here. WB continues to stalk him against the cage. Woodley throws a very half hearted takedown/clinch attempt out, not even close. Jab to the body and then a 1-2 finds a connection from WB. WB still walking him down, and throws a decent overhand right that makes light contact. Woodley tries another press, but accomplishes nothing but regaining the centre. T is very aggressive in the final 15ish seconds, throws a big overhand that makes a little contact, then another that misses. Ends the round backing up WB against the cage. "10-9" WB

Breaking the round down in scoring minute by minute, I've given it pretty obviously to WB here. One big shot would have changed things either way, or a successful takedown with strong GnP like in R1 could have stolen it for T. I don't buy the 0 for 0 takedown attempts from Fight Metric, I would say 0 for 1, arguably 0 for 2, depending on what you think T's intentions were with his (unsuccessful) clinching.

 

[Sham5916910]

My mate is a newbie to mma and he watched khabibs fights. I didnt say anything to him opinion wise and he just texted me saying kebab cant deal with pressure.

 

[Orion]

interesting wonderboy says he's put on about 8 pounds since his last fight. extra power but that might slow him down?

http://www.lowkickmma.com/UFC/stephen-thompson-preparing-for-dramatic-weight-cut-before-ufc-209/

All that tells me is that WB felt that Woodley was strong as shit and he needed to add some size to hang. The fight is happening too soon to make up for that strength difference.

 

[Joseph Budden]

“Dude, I am unbreakable,” Ferguson said. “Trust me, dude, I’m a f*cking machine now. You have no idea what you’re dealing with. You just woke me up. You keep laughing. You keep laughing. I’m the new John Wick.”

I love Ferg lol

 

[HeDucking]

R2 minute by minute scoring:

5:00-4:00
Nothing happens on either end. A kick blocked for each man, with WB's being a slightly more dangerous attack. WB walks T down very close to the cage the entire time. WB winning so far. "10-9" WB

4:00-3:00
WB hops in with a decent combo, gets clinched and turned around against the cage. Few small shots in the clinch, T doesn't actively go for a TD but why else clinch? WB reverses position fairly quickly. T turns him back again, they exchange pitter-patter punches from clinch. Very even exchange, a slight case could be made for Woodley because he was the slightly more aggressive fighter. "10-10"

3:00-2:00
WB finally breaks free of the clinch and separates 15s in here. T getting walked down again, WB mostly misses with a light combo. Woodley rushes forward and tries to return fire as WB clears away. Nothing much happens again, but WB still the more aggressive fighter. "10-9" WB

2:00-1:00
5s in here and WB hits a spinning back kick. Easily the most effective strike of the round so far. WB with a few combo attacks that don't do much, though one seems to land somewhat around 1:15, and it forces T to backup and separate. Decent leg kick by T, WB responds with a decent little combo. "10-9" WB

1:00-0:00
Big overhand from T misses early here. WB continues to stalk him against the cage. Woodley throws a very half hearted takedown/clinch attempt out, not even close. Jab to the body and then a 1-2 finds a connection from WB. WB still walking him down, and throws a decent overhand right that makes light contact. Woodley tries another press, but accomplishes nothing but regaining the centre. T is very aggressive in the final 15ish seconds, throws a big overhand that makes a little contact, then another that misses. Ends the round backing up WB against the cage. "10-9" WB

Breaking the round down in scoring minute by minute, I've given it pretty obviously to WB here. One big shot would have changed things either way, or a successful takedown with strong GnP like in R1 could have stolen it for T. I don't buy the 0 for 0 takedown attempts from Fight Metric, I would say 0 for 1, arguably 0 for 2, depending on what you think T's intentions were with his (unsuccessful) clinching.

Rewatched it again, I still think Woodley hit the harder shots but his damn tendency to stay back against the cage is gonna lose him the damn belt.

Why did you give the minute T controlled the clinch to WB? He had him against the cage and landed the shots.


Can you do round 3? Thats the round I orignally thought T won not round 2.

 

[HeDucking]

“Dude, I am unbreakable,” Ferguson said. “Trust me, dude, I’m a f*cking machine now. You have no idea what you’re dealing with. You just woke me up. You keep laughing. You keep laughing. I’m the new John Wick.”

I love Ferg lol

That was terrible though.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

All that tells me is that WB felt that Woodley was strong as shit and he needed to add some size to hang. The fight is happening too soon to make up for that strength difference.

At what point in their first fight did the strength play a difference though? They clinched to a very neutral result in R2, and there was only one other takedown. Otherwise, I don't think there's a doubt that Woodley is the stronger fighter, I'm just not sure how relevant it is.

My gut tells me WB's desire for additional strength is to perhaps add a bit more pop to his punches, and additionally to help should there be more clinching this go around.

 

[HeDucking]

All that tells me is that WB felt that Woodley was strong as shit and he needed to add some size to hang. The fight is happening too soon to make up for that strength difference.

Also he didnt gain 8 lbs in muscle, its either water weight retention, a lil muscle and a little fat unless he's on the juice. 8lbs of muscle is a HUGE amount to gain in 2 months.

 

[Joseph Budden]

That was terrible though.

For Ferg, that conference call was prob his strongest trash talk ever lol saying hes john wick at the end of that statement had me dying

 

[HeDucking]

For Ferg, that conference call was prob his strongest trash talk ever lol saying hes john wick at the end of that statement had me dying

Unless he's rapping, that was terrible imo.

All I got from the call is Conor would destroy Khabib in trash talk. Ferg will put up a fight but still lose.


Dude can I gt your opinion on round 3 Woodley/WB? I would like others opinions too, reply to this if you can, I linked the fight to the time. I think the newer rules would give Woodley the round?

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Rewatched it again, I still think Woodley hit the harder shots but his damn tendency to stay back against the cage is gonna lose him the damn belt.

Why did you give the minute T controlled the clinch to WB? He had him against the cage and landed the shots.


Can you do round 3? Thats the round I orignally thought T won not round 2.

Sure, I'll give it a go as well. I didn't necessarily give the clinching to WB, just that it was a basically neutral exchange. Woodley landed a slight bit more, and initiated it, but in that overall minute I'd score it a draw or very slightly to Woodley (as nothing was accomplished by either man, and it wasn't enough to sway the round).

The biggest X factor here is still going to be whether or not Woodley can land his big right. He came close a few times before he finally did it. I don't know that WB will be as willing to engage because of it, and will be content to win rounds via stalking him down as he did through much of this. I almost expect Rd2 to be a microcosm of the eventual rematch.

Let me give the third a look, as well while I've got some time. If you guys have any interest in these kinds of breakdowns after close fights, it's maybe something I could look into putting up on my site regularly, been planning on getting more active with content in the coming days/weeks.

 

[HeDucking]

Sure, I'll give it a go as well. I didn't necessarily give the clinching to WB, just that it was a basically neutral exchange. Woodley landed a slight bit more, and initiated it, but in that overall minute I'd score it a draw or very slightly to Woodley (as nothing was accomplished by either man, and it wasn't enough to sway the round).

The biggest X factor here is still going to be whether or not Woodley can land his big right. He came close a few times before he finally did it. I don't know that WB will be as willing to engage because of it, and will be content to win rounds via stalking him down as he did through much of this. I almost expect Rd2 to be a microcosm of the eventual rematch.

Let me give the third a look, as well while I've got some time. If you guys have any interest in these kinds of breakdowns after close fights, it's maybe something I could look into putting up on my site regularly, been planning on getting more active with content in the coming days/weeks.

Bro, I like your style of BDs. Keep it up homie.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Unless he's rapping, that was terrible imo.

All I got from the call is Conor would destroy Khabib in trash talk. Ferg will put up a fight but still lose.


Dude can I gt your opinion on round 3 Woodley/WB? I would like others opinions too, reply to this if you can, I linked the fight to the time. I think the newer rules would give Woodley the round?

I rewatched the fight awhile ago but ill check out the round when i get home tonight and see what the fuss is about lol

 

[HeDucking]

I would give WB the beginning of the round but Woodley the last couple minutes. He landed the harder strikes and did the more damage. I was surprised to see one judge give it 10-9 woodley, the same as I did but then noticed is Glenn Townbridge, so now Im questioning if Im even right. He's a terrible judge.

 

[Jae Gibbz]

I would rather drag my dick through 4 miles of broken glass before laying over -200 on Khabib in this fight

 

[Orion]

At what point in their first fight did the strength play a difference though? They clinched to a very neutral result in R2, and there was only one other takedown. Otherwise, I don't think there's a doubt that Woodley is the stronger fighter, I'm just not sure how relevant it is.

My gut tells me WB's desire for additional strength is to perhaps add a bit more pop to his punches, and additionally to help should there be more clinching this go around.

I think he felt the difference in strength/power during the takedown/ground work in round 1, the guillotine attempt later on, the big shots he ate, and anytime they ended up in the clinch. I don't know how much of a difference that strength made, but WB briefly mentioned after the fight that Woodley felt strong.

There's obviously something there that made WB want to gain some weight because he felt he was at a disadvantage. Maybe it was to add some power to his strikes like you said.

 

[Orion]

Unless he's rapping, that was terrible imo.

All I got from the call is Conor would destroy Khabib in trash talk. Ferg will put up a fight but still lose.


Dude can I gt your opinion on round 3 Woodley/WB? I would like others opinions too, reply to this if you can, I linked the fight to the time. I think the newer rules would give Woodley the round?

I don't see how the old or new rules would give Woodley the round. I'd say WB 10-9 or a draw. Woodley was pretty inactive/defensive for the majority of that round and WB seemed to be dictating the pace/the aggressor. Woodley was there in spurts but it seemed less than WB overall. Damage wise is really tough to judge who was more effective with the few strikes that landed. Possibly WB since Woodley was throwing wide, backing up, and looked to mainly be recovering after WB would land. He had some pop toward the end of the round though. I'll watch it again in a bit

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Let's do the same method, as I think it's a fair way of scoring rounds as a minute-by-minute thing, for anybody just catching up this is for R3 of Woodley(T) and Wonderboy(WB).

5:00-4:00
Starts out with T trying to be more aggressive, I would assume at his coaches behest (I'm watching these with the volume off). Goes for the same rushing in combo he's been looking for, but finds no home. First half here is very even, with T attempting to display more aggression in general. WB tries to respond and begins to walk T down against the cage again at 4:30. T must be listening to his coaches because he rushes forward again and just misses the big right (this is what worries me with WB, hands down confident in his reflexes and agility). T probably made 3-5 good charges (with limited success) at WB, and WB responded with very little aside from walking T down. "10-9" T

4:00-3:00
Starting to look more like R2 here, as WB begins to walk T down. T tries to respond with another rush of strikes but gives up at first. WB backs T up against the cage in a potentially very dangerous spot at 3:20, and has been walking him down for the majority of this minute. WB flicks the jab out there a fair bit, but this is something he needs to work on for the next fight. Less flicks, and more snap. T tries to back WB off with a RHK, but it's blocked and WB continues to stalk. "10-9" WB

3:00-2:00
WB lands a good leg kick around 2:50, one of the few he has thrown since the R1 catch that saw him roughed up. WB does a similar combo rush back at T, and backs him up against the cage in another potentially dangerous spot. T tries to bait him in, WB lands a little combo, T tries to rush him, potentially trying to clinch or snatch a single leg (again, this is not mentioned on Fight Metric as a TD attempt). T has a chance to try to hold the centre of the cage, but secedes it as WB stalks him again. WB continues to stalk T down throughout nearly this whole minute. "10-9" WB

2:00-1:00
Starts off with a decent jab by T, countered by another good leg kick from WB. Another quick 1-2 combo from WB backs T up against the cage in a way his corner must be hating (they've shown video of it a couple times I think, not listening to the audio). Spinning wheel kick from WB that misses, although is perhaps closer than it may have seemed initially (ie nobody lands those, but it wasn't that far off. Don't forget he had success with the spinning back kick in R2). Probably the most active minute of R2 or 3 so far, and that's only 20s in. The next section the pace slows. Both guys look for combos, they end up clinching but WB easily slips out, gives up his back to the cage in the process. T tries to capitalize and closes the distance. WB smartly circles away from the power right, gets some space and switches before he gets drilled with the leg kick. This minute is very close. WB controls the majority of the pressure, and lands the better of the punches thrown; however T likely lands the (seemingly) largest strike with the big leg kick, although judges don't tend to favour that. I'd likely say a very slight "10-9" WB but could see it as a draw or in T's favour possibly.

1:00-0:00
WB pushes to the centre with a combo, again similar to what T had been doing. T tries to respond in kind, but nothing comes of it and they dance around the centre. A few soft combos thrown by both guys, but nothing significant lands either way. WB starts to walk T down again near the 30s mark. T comes forward again in the final moments, and lands an okay right along with his pressure. Again, this minute is exceptionally close. I'm not too sure which way i'd give this one, perhaps a slight "10-9" T for his right, though perhaps a "10-10" or "10-9" WB from the judges perspective, if they felt the right didn't land.

If this single round were in 5 round format, I guess I'd very slightly favour WB in the decision, but again, it is exceptionally close. With that said, this is a dangerous game to play against a karate fighter (or perhaps prime Anderson Silva). Judges are likely to favour WB for this sort of round I feel, as he "appeared" to be doing more. I mean the strikes landed were 8 (T) to 10 (WB) according to fight metric, so that should give you an idea there.