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UFC 204 - Bisping vs Hendo II - England

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molest said:
Can Pickett knockout Alcantara?
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Very doubtful. As ukram says im sure he will wrestle.

Mousasi + Bisping or Tumenov tough decision. Hmm think Tumenov might be safer hendo is still crafty with that right hand
 
vkram said:
Targeting the North American PPV market since they make up most of the PPV sales.
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Well yes ofcourse, but have some fucking respect to the market / country youre actually in. That shit is just sad. They are putting the english fucking champ on at 6 am in the morning .. Not like Henderson is such an amazing draw anymore, I guess they think the rematch will sell though and can play the Hbomb footage over and over as the commercials.
 
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http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/ufc-204-betting-odds/

Daniel Omielanczuk isn’t a big hitter, but he’ll likely need to put Stefan Struve away to win this fight. If Omielanczuk was able to keep this fight on the feet for 15 minutes he could win as well, but his proclivity for falling into the clinch could prove troublesome in that pursuit. Struve’s height makes him a surprisingly effective (and underrated) wrestler from that position, and Omielanczuk has weak takedown defense to begin with. If this turns into a grappling match, Struve has the advantage, so Omielanczuk needs to stay at range against a much longer fighter for 15 minutes without falling into the clinch. That’s a lot to ask for any heavyweight.

If we’re continuing the trend of being honest, Brad Pickett has lost his last four fights. He’s had a couple of bright moments during that span, but he’s generally shown the same poor defense as always, which has been exacerbated by his physical decline. Pickett may be able fall back on his wrestling here — as he is one of the very few British fighters who you wouldn’t know is British by watching him wrestle — as Alcantara can be lazy about his defense, but I have to think the dynamic game of the Brazilian gets through on the feet enough to take a decision. Pickett has been known to get some bad decisions though, and at home that could be a factor.

Ian Entwistle gets the leg lock early or quits and loses. Although anyone can get caught by a leg lock, Rob Font should be good enough to avoid it. He wins. By stoppage. That said, I could see this being the spot where everyone just looks at Entwistle as the one-dimensional leg lock guy and bets up his opponent way too high and then Font potentially gets caught.

Davey Grant and Damian Stasiak could put on a fun grappling battle, or a really bad striking battle. I don’t think either fighter truly has the desire or skill set to keep this on the feet should the other pursue a takedown. Once they hit the ground, I think the fight is evenly matched, although I found it surprising that Grant wasn’t able to have more success on the ground against Marlon Vera than he did. I expect Grant to be a bit overpriced here, but I’m not sure I’m ready to pull the trigger on Stasiak.

One of the best bouts on the card, Edwards and Tumenov should be the exact opposite of Grant and Stasiak. Both have struggled when they’ve faced grapplers but beaten anyone willing to strike with them. Tumenov has the higher level competition and wins, but Edwards could give him trouble as a slightly longer southpaw. In the end, I think that Tumenov is more used to fighting dangerous strikers and at a higher pace, which should lead him to victory. However, Edwards does have more one-punch power out of the two, which could equalize things.
 
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http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/ufc-204-betting-odds/

Daniel Omielanczuk isn’t a big hitter, but he’ll likely need to put Stefan Struve away to win this fight. If Omielanczuk was able to keep this fight on the feet for 15 minutes he could win as well, but his proclivity for falling into the clinch could prove troublesome in that pursuit. Struve’s height makes him a surprisingly effective (and underrated) wrestler from that position, and Omielanczuk has weak takedown defense to begin with. If this turns into a grappling match, Struve has the advantage, so Omielanczuk needs to stay at range against a much longer fighter for 15 minutes without falling into the clinch. That’s a lot to ask for any heavyweight.

If we’re continuing the trend of being honest, Brad Pickett has lost his last four fights. He’s had a couple of bright moments during that span, but he’s generally shown the same poor defense as always, which has been exacerbated by his physical decline. Pickett may be able fall back on his wrestling here — as he is one of the very few British fighters who you wouldn’t know is British by watching him wrestle — as Alcantara can be lazy about his defense, but I have to think the dynamic game of the Brazilian gets through on the feet enough to take a decision. Pickett has been known to get some bad decisions though, and at home that could be a factor.

Ian Entwistle gets the leg lock early or quits and loses. Although anyone can get caught by a leg lock, Rob Font should be good enough to avoid it. He wins. By stoppage. That said, I could see this being the spot where everyone just looks at Entwistle as the one-dimensional leg lock guy and bets up his opponent way too high and then Font potentially gets caught.

Davey Grant and Damian Stasiak could put on a fun grappling battle, or a really bad striking battle. I don’t think either fighter truly has the desire or skill set to keep this on the feet should the other pursue a takedown. Once they hit the ground, I think the fight is evenly matched, although I found it surprising that Grant wasn’t able to have more success on the ground against Marlon Vera than he did. I expect Grant to be a bit overpriced here, but I’m not sure I’m ready to pull the trigger on Stasiak.

One of the best bouts on the card, Edwards and Tumenov should be the exact opposite of Grant and Stasiak. Both have struggled when they’ve faced grapplers but beaten anyone willing to strike with them. Tumenov has the higher level competition and wins, but Edwards could give him trouble as a slightly longer southpaw. In the end, I think that Tumenov is more used to fighting dangerous strikers and at a higher pace, which should lead him to victory. However, Edwards does have more one-punch power out of the two, which could equalize things.
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Disagree with Edwards having more one punch power. He has one KO in 5 UFC fights, and that was against someone who had been knocked out in two of his previous four fights.
 
Really liking Tumenov here. Edwards is a solid enough fighter, but his wins are over fighters no longer with the UFC and outside of the Seth win there has been no spectacular performance. Outside of the Usman fight he's had four nice fights stylistically. Tumenov is a big step up for him. Think i might switch from Bisping to Tumenov. It's been so crazy I really wouldn't be surprised if Hendo lands that H bomb and rides off into the sunset.
 
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While I think moose and bisping should win, people should not be going parlay crazy with them.
 
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- Took in a tall polish guy to help prepare against struve
- try to get better and better and progress as a fighter
- fighting one of the tallest fighters and Im propably one on the shorter guys at hw
- have to shorten the distance against struve
- working with a dietist, weight is lower then usual
 
Mousasi ITD odds going up?

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Seriously, am I missing something everyone else knows about??
 
I really don't understand how people can back Bisping with a lot of confidence here. He still has the bad habit of backing up with his head in the air when pressured.
 
Just watched Tumenov against Jouban and Larkin. Defo taking Tumenov hurry up and release the lines and please keep it at -250!
 
Sham5916910 said:
Disagree with Edwards having more one punch power. He has one KO in 5 UFC fights, and that was against someone who had been knocked out in two of his previous four fights.
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Sham5916910 said:
Really liking Tumenov here. Edwards is a solid enough fighter, but his wins are over fighters no longer with the UFC and outside of the Seth win there has been no spectacular performance. Outside of the Usman fight he's had four nice fights stylistically. Tumenov is a big step up for him. Think i might switch from Bisping to Tumenov. It's been so crazy I really wouldn't be surprised if Hendo lands that H bomb and rides off into the sunset.
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That break down was going so well till he said Edwards has better 1 punch ko then tumenov lol
obviously he forgot to look at both guys records, really makes one wonder if that b/d was for real!

Anyhow I watched some of both guys last few fights, man this is a tricky one edwards has some decent striking stills, mixes in his boxing with a high kick well and uses that long jab of his well something nelson was able to do. Tumenov also similar and loves that head kick too, but I do think his hands and power are greater.

Edwards showed improved grappling, clinch work and good top control but he got top positions during trips, clinches and stuffed take down attempts against waters, so he has that ability and can use it where as tumenov will just want to stand and bang.

Lets hope edwards last win makes his line attractive and tumenovs last loss more affordable, I don't think edwards will grapple much, tumenov will probably work on footwork and avoiding the ground game even more after nelson so hopefully he uses his heavier boxing and kicking style here to get the win.

So I like tumenov here, 1 year younger, more experienced with better opponent calibar wins and has the better power in his striking.
 
Oblivian said:
I really don't understand how people can back Bisping with a lot of confidence here. He still has the bad habit of backing up with his head in the air when pressured.
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You are right about that, but let be honest. Hendo received this fight only beacuse he is going to retire after it. He is 2-3 in the last 5 and i cant see a way for him to win this. Bisping ate a lot of beating from Silva and he survived for 5 rounds, so i cant see Hendo KOing him.
 
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