UFC 203 - Stipe vs Overeem - Cleveland

[Joseph Budden]

So tempting to troll robbie and just disagree with him for whatever reasons from now on and watch him get pissed

 

[EzFlyer]

i'm taking gonzalez +150 after rewatching his tuf and what-not. this dude is aggressive as hell. i think dober's best chance is still decision and i have O2.5, anyway. gonz is a finisher, but i see this being a super competitive decision, even if dober is getting td's (and i do expect him to get a couple).. but gonz is super aggressive on the bottom, even, and judges are rewarding that kind of thing lately

gonz is also gonna be what, 5" taller? gigantic LW

 

[Brick Top]

Yeah this is kinda how I see it. I don't think she is overrated just highly valued from bettors. We like people that fight in a consistent way. Raquel lost a split to HH and beat Ashely Evans Smith so she aint that bad considering the division.

I really don't like Eye as a fighter becuase I think she is mentally weak. Eye is coming off of 3 losses which can't be good for her confidence. Her 3 losses are to top tier fighters but I still dont' mind Bethe in this fight.

I won't be surprised if Bethe outboxes Eye and maybe even finishes her. An early or late finish from Bethe won't surprise me.

Tate and Pena would get a stoppage over Bethe. Bethe also wouldn't be able to land one strike against McMann.

Have you watched tape? Bethe literally has zero punching power. Zilch. How you can say you wouldn't be surprised if she finished her is just baffling to me.

I guess I'll just stop discussing this fight because everyone will just continue to counter every point I make with a ridiculous statement.

 

[EzFlyer]

And EZ, how can you say "not really" to level of comp? Eye dominated Leslie Smith and Sarah Kaufman. That is infinitely more impressive than anything Bethe has ever achieved.

Or do you think beating Baszler and Duke is anything to write home about?

I don't "always do this" and it doesn't always bite me in the ass either. I've done it 4 times on this forum and was right 3 times, all underdogs. And the one loss was a close decision. I'm not an idiot, if I'm confident it's for a reason.

c'mon. dominated kaufman? kaufman got jobbed on the decision, it was a close fight.

she should be 1-5 in her last 5 fights. instead, it's 1-4-0-1, with the overturned (lucky) split she got against kauf.

you are overestimating her bigtime.

she can ABSOLUTELY win. it's a damn near coinflip fight. hometown decision could totally happen for her. but 5u and all this confidence is way overboard.

 

[Ukram]

Surprised mcall not going his usual mad self probably cos he gets the W money at least

 

[Brick Top]

c'mon. dominated kaufman? kaufman got jobbed on the decision, it was a close fight.

she should be 1-5 in her last 5 fights. instead, it's 1-4-0-1, with the overturned (lucky) split she got against kauf.

you are overestimating her bigtime.

she can ABSOLUTELY win. it's a damn near coinflip fight. hometown decision could totally happen for her. but 5u and all this confidence is way overboard.

Alright, dominating Leslie Smith is more impressive than anything Bethe has ever done.

I think at this point your anger towards her for betting on her against elite fighters is clouding your judgement a bit.

Yes, she's lost her last 3 fights, but as I said, Tate and Pena would stop Bethe easily, or at the very least dominate her for 3 rounds. It wouldn't even be competitive. Bethe would also get hopelessly wrestlefucked by McMann, and probably lose to Leslie Smith.

I respect your opinion but you're underestimating her based on performances against elite fighters. When you put her in against a fighter like (most likely worse than) Leslie Smith, you'll see what happens.

I'm not banking on a hometown robbery, it's just a safety net. Bethe is the perfect stylistic match-up for her, a SLOW, plodding fighter like Leslie Smith who she can box up. Eye has better footwork a big striking advantage and a huge speed advantage, and that's all she needs. But we will see.

 

[LEMONZEST]

Tate and Pena would get a stoppage over Bethe. Bethe also wouldn't be able to land one strike against McMann.

Have you watched tape? Bethe literally has zero punching power. Zilch. How you can say you wouldn't be surprised if she finished her is just baffling to me.

I guess I'll just stop discussing this fight because everyone will just continue to counter every point I make with a ridiculous statement.

I don't usually watch tape on girl fights unless I plan on making a big bet. I have watched Jessica Eye and Bethe fight enough to know what to expect.

It is hypothetical but you are probably right that Tate and Pena are way better than Bethe but they are also way better than Eye. Both Bethe and Eye are middle of the pack fighters (being generous here).

Bethe came out very aggressive against Rousey and landed some good shots before getting put away. I am not saying Bethe is athletic or a good all around fighter. However, I do favour Bethe's raw agression over Eye's mental weakness and "quitter" mentality. I don't mean to be harsh on Eye but she has been on my fade list for quite some time.

Bethe did very well hanging with Raquel over 3 rounds. I thought like you before that Bethe was complete trash and had a huge bet on Raquel in that fight but Bethe made me sweat.

I don't have a big bet on this fight but I will probably end up with 1-2 units on Bethe ML.

PS. When someone disagrees with you that doesn't make them "ridiculous". Fights have a lot of variance and different possible outcomes. If I told you six months ago that Bisping would have the belt you would think me crazy...

 

[Sadistics]

Haven't been able to choose a side re Miocic/Overeem so just put a small flyer on Reem sub +1200. He has a killer guillotine that we haven't seen in a while and someone posted a few pages back that Reem's been working on his ground game for this fight

 

[Brick Top]

I don't usually watch tape on girl fights unless I plan on making a big bet. I have watched Jessica Eye and Bethe fight enough to know what to expect.

It is hypothetical but you are probably right that Tate and Pena are way better than Bethe but they are also way better than Eye. Both Bethe and Eye are middle of the pack fighters (being generous here).

Bethe came out very aggressive against Rousey and landed some good shots before getting put away. I am not saying Bethe is athletic or a good all around fighter. However, I do favour Bethe's raw agression over Eye's mental weakness and "quitter" mentality. I don't mean to be harsh on Eye but she has been on my fade list for quite some time.

Bethe did very well hanging with Raquel over 3 rounds. I thought like you before that Bethe was complete trash and had a huge bet on Raquel in that fight but Bethe made me sweat.

I don't have a big bet on this fight but I will probably end up with 1-2 units on Bethe ML.

PS. When someone disagrees with you that doesn't make them "ridiculous". Fights have a lot of variance and different possible outcomes. If I told you six months ago that Bisping would have the belt you would think me crazy...

Saying things like Bethe is a better striker or faster than Eye is a ridiculous statement. I don't mean to be a dick but it just is.

Bethe surprised me in the Raquel fight too, but if anything that made me realise how overrated Raquel is (which her record shows).

Bethe actually isn't that aggressive. She sat back against Raquel, she was striking from range against Duke and Baszler basically begged her to punch her in the face in their fight.

The fight with Ronda shouldn't even be mentioned when talking about this fight. She landed a couple of her pillow fisted punches on a woman who keeps her chin up in the sky then got face planted by a terrible striker.

 

[Joseph Budden]

lol @ how hard robbie's arguing for Eye. Its Jessica Eye!!! No matter what you see in footage that can't be over stated.

Hope Reem's odds get better, but i'm gonna play him now just in case this flips. More I think about this fight, the more confident I am in Reem. Hopefully the night goes well so I can add to him

 

[Sham5916910]

Thanks for making me want to watch bethe eye, robbie. Said id never watch her again after the mcmann debacle but shit just got interesting!

 

[Brick Top]

lol @ how hard robbie's arguing for Eye. Its Jessica Eye!!! No matter what you see in footage that can't be over stated.

Hope Reem's odds get better, but i'm gonna play him now just in case this flips. More I think about this fight, the more confident I am in Reem. Hopefully the night goes well so I can add to him

It's Bethe Correia. Eye would be like -250 or lower against this can if she didn't lose to elite level fighters, you should all be jumping on it with me logically.

 

[Brick Top]

Is there anyone here actually confident in Bethe? I'm willing to avi/sig bet that Eye wins for anything up to a year.

 

[Sham5916910]

Surprised mcall not going his usual mad self probably cos he gets the W money at least

When was his last fight called off a month ago? His sweet two pay cheques plus two win bonuses and a possible third pay cheque + win bonus in nov if he gets seery.

 

[Joseph Budden]

It's Bethe Correia. Eye would be like -250 against this can if she didn't lose to elite level fighters, you should all be jumping on it with me logically.

I'm with you, but just keep in mind we're betting on a girl who admittedly got into a huge fight with her coaches and was tempted to leave them just cause they thought she was trying to take a fight too soon awhile back (listen to her media scrum) and who has screamed at them that she doesn't trust them. She seems fucking nuts.

 

[Brick Top]

I'm with you, but just keep in mind we're betting on a girl who admittedly got into a huge fight with her coaches and was tempted to leave them just cause they thought she was trying to take a fight too soon awhile back (listen to her media scrum) and who has screamed at them that she doesn't trust them. She seems fucking nuts.

I don't read too much into that, a lot of these bitches are crazy. Bethe was an accountant 4 years ago.

 

[Joseph Budden]

I don't read too much into that, a lot of these bitches are crazy. Bethe was an accountant 4 years ago.

Being potentially mentally unstable is definitely something worth keeping in mind, especially when shes known to make stupid decisions in the cage.

Also, Bethe has been training at AKA since the Rousey loss, which would explain her improvements vs Raquel and i'm guessing she'll be even more improved here. Another thing to keep in mind before you jynx us with your overconfidence

 

[LEMONZEST]

Saying things like Bethe is a better striker or faster than Eye is a ridiculous statement. I don't mean to be a dick but it just is.

I guess we'll find out in a few days...

I don't know if Bethe is a better striker because she isn't really styled as a technical boxer. She has more of a bumrush aggression thing going on.

Yeah def not going to sigbet as I am not that invested in this fight. I think they are both pretty bad.

 

[Brick Top]

Being potentially mentally unstable is definitely something worth keeping in mind, especially when shes known to make stupid decisions in the cage.

Also, Bethe has been training at AKA since the Rousey loss, which would explain her improvements vs Raquel and i'm guessing she'll be even more improved here. Another thing to keep in mind before you jynx us with your overconfidence

I mean Ronda was probably the most mentally unstable person in WMMA and she did just fine for years. You can blame Eye's bad fight IQ on just being too scared of a takedown from an Olympic wrestler.

I get you though, and I've taken the AKA thing into consideration but I still think the Raquel fight was more a case of how overrated Raquel is than how much Bethe has improved, even though she did show a little more than those slow t-rex hooks. Eye still holds the significant advantages.

 

[AffectEffect]

Eye isn't an underdog, she is a favorite. I see no value in that line, in what is expected to be a close fight. Especially when the favorite is a flake that you cannot trust.

Bookies giving Eye a 60% chance to win, she can't be that much more of a favorite in reality, where is the value there?