Uchi Mata in Randori help

[Tbonez90t]

Okay so here is my problem. I find myself entering in for uchi mata and having good position and kuzushi, but can rarely finish the throw against higher ranks. I have been trying to focus on using my hands to help with turning them over, but I am just looking for some all around ideas.

I attack with a right sided uchi mata on the opponent's inside left leg if that helps.

 

[Deleted member 3729]

If you have good kuzushi you should be getting the throw. Imo, uchimata is the most complicated throw in judo, it's very hard to know what you're doing without seeing you do it. Ask the higher grades why you're not getting it. What belt are you?

 

[RJ Green]

if your kazushi doesn't throw you into a rollout, put more oomph on it. yeah, "pretty" judo says you should stay standing, but do a youtube search and see how many competition uchi matas don't take both people do the ground.

just keep practicing. it's a difficult throw.

 

[Wild Dan Hibiki]

uchi mata is probably the most difficult throw to master, but one of the most rewarding since there are so many combinations you can string together

keep working on it. i'm trying to master it as well at the moment

 

[masterfighter]

If your focusing on your hands, the problem could be that your tensing up too much after the initial kuzushi. What kind of uchi-mata do you use? ie. classical, kenken, stab attack etc.

 

[Higus]

I have the same problem with kake. Try to ask an instructor for critique.

 

[Drew Foster]

Man, I think it's so much easier to attack the inside of the right leg. Making it more of a hip throw did wonders fr my Uchimata.

 

[Tbonez90t]

I am a green and I mix it up a lot the way I do it. Right now I am just trying to find which way works best for me. I really wanna get a good handle on this throw since there are so many combos to work from.

Thanks and I do plan on asking my instructor on some pointers.

 

[dza76wutang]

I don't do judo, I do BJJ, so I'm not throwing judokas...i.e. take this with a grain of salt. When I have trouble finishing Uchi Matas, I over "do it" with the downward force from my shoulder, almost as if I was doing a rolling knee bar from Sambo, or a front tumblesault.

I don't know if that's bad Judo advice so please don't flame me if I'm way off. It works for me in BJJ.

 

[jacketwrestler1]

I don't do judo, I do BJJ, so I'm not throwing judokas...i.e. take this with a grain of salt. When I have trouble finishing Uchi Matas, I over "do it" with the downward force from my shoulder, almost as if I was doing a rolling knee bar from Sambo, or a front tumblesault.

I don't know if that's bad Judo advice so please don't flame me if I'm way off. It works for me in BJJ.

That may work but like almost every other thing that works is illegal if the ref things its a head dive.

 

[Q mystic]

Okay so here is my problem. I find myself entering in for uchi mata and having good position and kuzushi, but can rarely finish the throw against higher ranks. I have been trying to focus on using my hands to help with turning them over, but I am just looking for some all around ideas.

I attack with a right sided uchi mata on the opponent's inside left leg if that helps.

It sounds like you are having trouble with the kake or throwing part.

We used to do drills where you go in and hit him to just before the breaking of the throw and then from there jump 1 footed down the mat keeping him as best you can at that point of throw. Helps with control. Often you will find that you throw him 'accidently' and might find that noticing where it happens might help your throwing....add in your drive and rotation. Might just help you become more familiar with that point you seem to be having trouble with and dont worry initially if you are throwing yourself.

 

[Darkslide632]

Uchi mata is NOT that difficult a throw. It is certainly not the hardest throw to master. I find that thought a little silly...

Your problem is two fold:

1) You're fighting people higher ranked than you, and that just makes life difficult.
2) You're trying to attack a leg.

You shouldn't be attacking any leg, unless you're attempting a ken-ken type uchi mata. You should - in a regular uchi mata - be trying to split their legs right up the middle. The actual lifting action comes from the hips and is generated by the raising of your leg. That leg, however, should be straight up the middle of your opponent's legs, and it shouldn't really touch anything along the way.

This is much easier to demonstrate than it is to describe in text.

Now this isn't to say that you CAN'T throw uchi mata by attacking someone's leg. You certainly can, and there are plenty of people who are able to pull it off, but in general, you'll have an easier time if you get that idea out of your head. Drew Foster alludes to this concept in his post above, by suggesting you "attack" the opposite side leg, and it is sound advice.

There's a great competition video of what I am saying... I'll try to find it.

 

[GaBJJ]

I can't hit that throw either.... I get position and then throw my leg threw and I just don't get them off there feet for the turn. I will admit I'm new enough at the throw... GaBJJ

 

[Drew Foster]

Uchi mata is NOT that difficult a throw. It is certainly not the hardest throw to master. I find that thought a little silly...

Your problem is two fold:

1) You're fighting people higher ranked than you, and that just makes life difficult.
2) You're trying to attack a leg.

You shouldn't be attacking any leg, unless you're attempting a ken-ken type uchi mata. You should - in a regular uchi mata - be trying to split their legs right up the middle. The actual lifting action comes from the hips and is generated by the raising of your leg. That leg, however, should be straight up the middle of your opponent's legs, and it shouldn't really touch anything along the way.

This is much easier to demonstrate than it is to describe in text.

Now this isn't to say that you CAN'T throw uchi mata by attacking someone's leg. You certainly can, and there are plenty of people who are able to pull it off, but in general, you'll have an easier time if you get that idea out of your head. Drew Foster alludes to this concept in his post above, by suggesting you "attack" the opposite side leg, and it is sound advice.

There's a great competition video of what I am saying... I'll try to find it.

I agree with you man. I either attack the inside of the far leg, or split the middle as you say. I also agree that there are more difficult throws than Uchimata. Hane Goshi comes to mind. Many of the leg sweeps as well as Uki Otoshi, etc. as well.

I feel like if you can get a solid Harai Goshi, Uchimata becomes easier to learn after that. Some may disagree though.

The Uchimata book in the Masterclass series helped my Uchimata a LOT.

Budovideos.com - Uchimata Book by Hitoshi Sugai (Masterclass Series)

this too

YouTube - JUDO Le perfectionnement d'uchi mata 2

and

YouTube - Uchi mata D

 

[GaBJJ]

Firts... Thanks for the great vid links... I already see what I'm doing wrong. I was trying to get the lift with my leg. The vid clearly shows it's with your hip while the Ukie is already pulled off balance. Thanks... But now....... We only do Gi's once in awhile. We do 85% No Gi..... How to make the throw with out the Gi. I clearly see them latching on to the Gi in the vid... Like they should.. Would you replace the grip with a wizzer or underhook ????GaBJJ

 

[Tbonez90t]

Well I think my problem is just going against higher ranks because yesterday I did the throw with almost perfect form, but the Uke was a lower rank. Hey, I'll take what I can get and when I can.

Back to it being a difficult throw, I definitely do not think it is that hard of a throw, neither do I think Hane Goshi is. IMO throws like Tai Otoshi and O Guruma are much more difficult.

Gabjj- I have never done no gi, but I would think that and under hook with the lead arm (for a right sided throw, right arm) and an over hook with the left would work well.

 

[Drew Foster]

PM me for a copy of Karo Parisyan's Uchimata hour long instructional if you d no-gi.

 

[Darkslide632]

I feel like if you can get a solid Harai Goshi, Uchimata becomes easier to learn after that. Some may disagree though.

Just for reference, harai goshi has been my tokui waza for years... and I just recently really learned to throw uchi mata. I think the understanding the the hips do the lifting, and the lifted action is simply created by the leg is what finally clicked for me.

Firts... Thanks for the great vid links... I already see what I'm doing wrong. I was trying to get the lift with my leg. The vid clearly shows it's with your hip while the Ukie is already pulled off balance. Thanks... But now....... We only do Gi's once in awhile. We do 85% No Gi..... How to make the throw with out the Gi. I clearly see them latching on to the Gi in the vid... Like they should.. Would you replace the grip with a wizzer or underhook ????GaBJJ

You're going to have a hard time getting uchi mata no gi unless you go with a ken-ken variation (which is certainly effective). Generally, however, it's tough to get your hips where they need to be for a solid uchi mata... that's the same reason you see FAR more o guruma and/or ashi guruma in MMA than you do harai goshi. That's not to say you CAN'T do it. You certainly can. I've seen it done in MMA, but then it USUALLY happens once they have pressed someone into the fence and thus got their hips close enough to throw.

IF you go with a whizzer, you wont be able to get your hips close enough to throw a good uchi mata, so you will virtually be forced to go with a ken-ken variation. I use this one a lot. If you get an underhook, it's possible to get your hips close enough for a solid uchi mata, though. You'll notice in Karo's video that he takes a cross lat grip with his right hand. This allows right right hip to get across uke's center line, and thus in good position for solid uchi mata, while at the same time remaining extremely tight to his opponent. You'll notice with a with a whizzer grip that is it extremely difficult to get your hips across centerline on your opponent, and if you do, you will not be very tight.

 

[bigdelicious]

Almost Deadly uchimata YouTube - deadly uchimata

 

[YeahBee]

Wow as always insightful posts from Darkslide and Drew

my contribution to this thread may be a little bit simpler
DArkslide you touched in it with the hips, footwork and turn is what gets your hips in position, with good position I have found succes with an almost no hip Uchi, you jsut have to step far back when pivoting, if you have , you can get lift with your leg that way without having to ken-ken