Law U.S. court rules families can sue gun maker over Sandy Hook shooting

I guess this is the heart of my question (as well as the lawsuit). I'm not sure it wouldn't have at least some impact, especially if the aesthetics or modifications are a large factor, but I don't know how you would prove it one way or another. I'm guessing the lawyers behind the lawsuit probably have some argument to present.

It would impact whoever was going to shoot people the day their gun disappeared. Then they'd go get another one. Let me put it another way. If tomorrow everyone's AR was replaced by some other semi-auto rifle there would be no impact on mass-shootings. Aesthetics and mods are a factor in the choice of rifle. They have nothing to do with the choice to kill innocent people. Nor do they affect lethality.
 
So I can sue Dell if I have my info hacked? They made the tool the time was commited with right?
 
Unless this is class action, these people will actually lose money trying to sue.
 
Price and endless modifications would be my guess. To some degree aesthetics, but that's a function of the sea of aftermarket parts out there. If the AR disappeared tomorrow it would have no impact on mass shootings.




I think we're both struggling to make sense of this because it doesn't really make any. It's a hail mary lawsuit.

If Remington knew how to identify those likely to shoot a place up they sure as fuck wouldn't target those folks. The extra handful of sales each year wouldn't be worth the backlash. And in the case of Sandy Hook, how could advertising be blamed when the kid was never the customer? The mom was. If anything this falls at the feet of parenting, but that doesn't fit the agenda.
No, it makes perfect sense to me. I've used trade practice violations plenty of times to find a liability angle that otherwise wouldn't exist. That's why those statutes are drafted. I tend to be looking at contractors but the angle is pretty similar. I think this is a very smart way to get around the PLCCA.

I struggle with explaining why the judge ruled that way without getting into a bunch of law that isn't directly related.

I read a little more and this part of the facts stands out. The shooter expressed a desire to join the Army Rangers when he turned 18. The mother bought the gun to connect with him. Later, he did not join the Rangers. However, he did use the weapon for his assault on the school.

So, if I'm raising a deceptive trade practices claim here's where it goes. Something in the advertising by Remington suggested to the mother than this weapon would align with her son's desire to be a highly trained soldier. There's no reason this Ct. mother would make that determination on her own. Basically, it's a non-military weapon being advertised as having military parallels thus appealing to people looking for military uses.

Which is basically what the lawyer alleges:
They contend that the defendants have sought to grow the AR-15 market by extolling the militaristic and assaultive qualities of their AR-15 rifles and, specifically, the weapon’s suitability for offensive combat missions.

In greater detail:
The plaintiffs further contend that the defendants unethically promoted their assault weapons for offensive, military style missions by publishing advertisements and distributing product catalogs that
(1) promote the AR-15 as ‘‘the uncompromising choice when you demand a rifle as mission adaptable as you are,’’
(2) depict soldiers moving on patrol through jungles, armed with Bushmaster rifles,
(3) feature the slogan ‘‘[w]hen you need to perform under pressure, Bushmaster delivers,’’ superimposed over the silhouette of a soldier holding his helmet against the backdrop of an American flag,
(4) tout the ‘‘military proven performance’’ of firearms like the XM15-E2S,
(5) promote civilian rifles as ‘‘the ultimate combat weapons system,’’
(6) invoke the unparalleled destructive power of their AR-15 rifles,
(7) claim that the most elite branches of the United States military, including the United States Navy SEALs, the United States Army Green Berets and Army Rangers, and other special forces, have used the AR-15, and
(8) depict a close-up of an AR-15 with the following slogan: ‘‘Forces of opposition, bow down. You are single-handedly outnumbered.’’

I have no idea if that's true but if it is then a trade practices claim makes sense. Still doesn't prove liability though.
 
I understand, but the question is what makes someone choose an AR15 instead of a Mini-14? Other features? Aesthetics? Price? Marketing? Any of those reasons is worth scrutinizing.
Both of these are mini-14s. 90% of the reason people want to ban AR15 is because of how they look. A semi-auto rifle Is a semi-auto rifle
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It would impact whoever was going to shoot people the day their gun disappeared. Then they'd go get another one. Let me put it another way. If tomorrow everyone's AR was replaced by some other semi-auto rifle there would be no impact on mass-shootings. Aesthetics and mods are a factor in the choice of rifle. They have nothing to do with the choice to kill innocent people. Nor do they affect lethality.
Again, I'm not certain that assumption is true or not, especially if aesthetics are a heavy factor in the decision process. For instance, I don't know if this is still the case, but I remember that there was a lot of uproar in the gun community about the requirements for what features could not be added to an AR in California. If semi-auto rifle models were fungible, then they would have just bought Mini-14s without complaint.
 
Both of these are mini-14s. 90% of the reason people want to ban AR15 is because of how they look. A semi-auto rifle Is a semi-auto rifle
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See my response to cubo. I think aesthetics are underrated when it comes to why some people purchase one firearm over another. If that's the case, then legislating aesthetics might not be as pointless as it appears in first glance.
 
Again, I'm not certain that assumption is true or not, especially if aesthetics are a heavy factor in the decision process. For instance, I don't know if this is still the case, but I remember that there was a lot of uproar in the gun community about the requirements for what features could not be added to an AR in California. If semi-auto rifle models were fungible, then they would have just bought Mini-14s without complaint.

The litigation seems to be about the specific marketing of the weapons, not their appearance. Basically, that Remington is playing up the combat capability in the advertising. The judge lays out some of the specific claims - Remington calls it the "ultimate combat weapons system", uses military soldiers in the imagery, references special forces, etc. For a strictly civilian weapon, there's a lot military symbolism used in the promotion.
 
See my response to cubo. I think aesthetics are underrated when it comes to why some people purchase one firearm over another. If that's the case, then legislating aesthetics might not be as pointless as it appears in first glance.
So who gets to decide what guns to ban based on them looking too scary?
 
I'm going to sue BMW for their shitty drivers. It's only fair imo
 
I'm gonna sue porn studios for my girlfriend's refusal to let me do certain stuff to her.
 
Elected officials and/or the judicial system. Checks and balances and all that.
Why stop at guns. We should probably ban all cars that look too fast too. Probably all military style haircuts as well. I also find myself trembling when faced with scary tattoos. Need to get rid of those.
 
Why stop at guns. We should probably ban all cars that look too fast too
Right, because there's not already a lot of laws in the books about the requirements to own, operate and modify a vehicle safely.
 
So if I use a scalpel to slash a bunch of people at the mall, they'll be able to sue the company that made it?
This is so indicative of the simple disingenuous nature of "gun rights" advocates. What a ridiculous comparison.
 
Right, because there's not already a lot of laws in the books about the requirements to own, operate and modify a vehicle safely.
We aren't talking about how they operate, just how they look remember
 
Do you know what advertisements they are referring to? Remington does make weapons for the military.

The litigation seems to be about the specific marketing of the weapons, not their appearance. Basically, that Remington is playing up the combat capability in the advertising. The judge lays out some of the specific claims - Remington calls it the "ultimate combat weapons system", uses military soldiers in the imagery, references special forces, etc. For a strictly civilian weapon, there's a lot military symbolism used in the promotion.
 
Do you know what advertisements they are referring to? Remington does make weapons for the military.
The opinion says it's the advertisement for the weapon used in the shooting, I linked the opinion on another page but I haven't read all of it yet.
 
that would make sense if that Mack truck was designed to kill human beings. It wasn't, so you won't.

Our constitutional right to bear arms was given to us so we could kill tyrants you idiot. It wasn't about defending our homes against burglars or hunting like a lot of ignorant people seem to believe.
 
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