Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[HHJ]

Prime Overeem? The Overeem that beat Brock? That overeem was bigger and stronger than Francis... with better technique... didn't punch as hard.. and definitely had the chin problem though...

But when he was that big,he was able to defend better by shelling up w his roid muscles

 

[MrCoffee]

Moves like my Ford escort after I crashed at 90mph and basically wrapped it around a concrete pole.

Glad you're still with us. You must have been driving down hill.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Wilders power is overrated

Don't be absurd. Wilder has KO'd every man he has ever faced aside from Fury, who he managed to knock down a total of 4 times during their trilogy. He's a 212lbs HW that's giving up 30lbs on average and he's knocking his opponents dead.

 

[dog y]

Exactly. You don't mess with power, and Fury would not be safe messing with Francis the way Floyd was with Conor. Fury is going to try to get this done within the first 4 rounds surely; you don't play with fire when you got a guy that sends his opponents in a vertical direction with his KO punches.

Hahaha, your "Vertical direction" reminded me of Houston Alexander launching Jardine into orbit.
Lifted a 230lbs man with a fist to the chin. Absurd power.
Francis will have to try and bulldoze, ofc. People will shit on that strategy, but it's much better than trying to be technical/boxing against Fury. It's his one shot and we all know it. All out from the belt. Fury isn't a fast starter.

 

[dog y]

Wilders power is overrated

Yeah, sure. I don't even...
Yes, nuclear bombs are barely damaging.
What the fuck?
This is just unthinkable.

 

[dog y]

I think we all know Fury is going to win, but it would be beautiful if Ngannou put him to sleep, or even hurt him.

I'll be super happy if Ngannou stays composed and survives. But he'll very likely go all out and burn his wad in a round.

 

[StonedLemur]

I'll be super happy if Ngannou stays composed and survives. But he'll very likely go all out and burn his wad in a round.

That's also possible sir.
I just want him to catch him at least 1 time clean and hard.

 

[dog y]

Fury is so fast for a guy his size.

If he had lipo and sucked some 20lbs of fat from his midsection, he could be even faster. Dude's a freak.

That's also possible sir.
I just want him to catch him at least 1 time clean and hard.

We can dream, sure.
Go Francis!

 

[StonedLemur]

If he had lipo and sucked some 20lbs of fat from his midsection, he could be even faster. Dude's a freak.

We can dream, sure.
Go Francis!

Dreams can come true, lets hope this one does sir

 

[camygod]

Wilder hits harder

 

[wannabetoughguy]

Wilder hits harder

I doubt it.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Francis definitely has a chance, a puncher's chance. I wouldn't bet my cardboard box house on it though

 

[Hagler]

Looking back at his career it is reasonable to assume that Overeem's brain doesn't work very well anymore.

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

Wilders power is overrated

Sure... <45>

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

Weak argument?
Ok tell me a single good fighter any of the guys in those clips beat.

Tell me who they are, or why anyone would give a shit.
I don't say this often but every one of them is a can to be crushed.

All the guys in that clip have KO power (because that's what HWs do), but most of all, they are all better boxers than Ngannou.

 

[StonedLemur]

All the guys in that clip have KO power (because that's what HWs do), but most of all, they are all better boxers than Ngannou.

I wasn't talkin about Ngannou, I know he doesn't have great boxing.

 

[Big Al's Texas BBQ]

I know everyone will laugh at me, but i always believed Francis has Tyson Fury number, he can knock him out, one hit wonder, i don't think he is the better boxer, but Tyson is hittable and Francis is not someone you want to hit you.

Deontay Wilder fought Tyson Fury 3 times and couldn't beat him. But you think Ngannou can?

 

[Zarathustra611]

Wilder isn't nearly as big of a guy as he seems. His frame is tall and lanky but built up, formerly did not fight at HW.

Funny how that is looking at the hardest punchers in HW history:
Foreman- 220 in his prime
Shavers- 205-210
Tyson- 215-220 all wet

old time:
Louis- 200
Marciano-185

It clearly isn't about excessive size. Smaller sized HWs.

Not entirely surprising, let's look at basic physics. If force is = mass x velocity we can see a relationship where both mass and velocity can matter.

Power isn't the same as force, but is an expression of force applied in a specific instant or extremely rapidly. So power = force x velocity.

Velocity is important in both equations so a slightly lighter man- still with significant mass- able to move explosively seems to end up with the more powerful punch on many occasions, since velocity seems to be the most important factor, appearing in both equations, assuming you have enough mass to be begin with*

* and lets assume ridiculous mass extremes are curtailed by the other facets needed at top level boxing like endurance, movement, co-ordination, skill and agility etc.

** The equations also ignore the fact that a more agile boxer may be able to move rapidly into more awkward positions for the opponent in able to actually land the power shot whereas a big slow giant may be just too predictable to ever deliver the power effectively.

 

[Zarathustra611]

I doubt it.

Wilder is an ATG KO puncher (not necessarily boxer) in a sport purely devoted to punching. He hits harder.

Mac had pattycakes Mayweather could walk through when he put the big gloves on. This won't be different.

Has Francis fought a lot of guys who dwarfed him and punched them out?

 

[Lee_]

Not entirely surprising, let's look at basic physics. If force is = mass x velocity we can see a relationship where both mass and velocity can matter.

Power isn't the same as force, but is an expression of force applied in a specific instant or extremely rapidly. So power = force x velocity.

Velocity is important in both equations so a slightly lighter man- still with significant mass- able to move explosively seems to end up with the more powerful punch on many occasions, since velocity seems to be the most important factor, assuming you have enough mass to be begin with*

* and lets assume ridiculous mass extremes are curtailed by the other facets needed at top level boxing like endurance, movement, co-ordination, skill and agility etc.

** The equations also ignore the fact that a more agile boxer may be able to move rapidly into more awkward positions for the opponent in able to actually land the power shot whereas a big slow giant may be just too predictable to ever deliver the power effectively.

This is a nice analysis. You have two different concepts in terms of sheer punching power compared to actually having the boxing skill to land that power punch in a high-level fight, as you illustrate. Wilder may not have the best overall boxing skills if you compare him to the best HWs, but his power punching technique is amazing (look at his footwork and body torque when he throws power punches). And he has enough overall skill to land those bombs against HWs.