Social Turns out Imane Khelif Really Was a Man

[Siver!]

You wouldn't know them. They're called "friends and family" and live in a place called "the real world".

They don't really ask you about it, do they?

I can't imagine caring what someone else does or doesn't watch. People like that might exist, but they're probably very weird.

 

[Madmick]

And where did these sample come from exactly? The IBA and their mysterious, separate test that they didn't want to explain, or Imane herself?

The samples always come from the athlete. Athletic associations aren't the ones that collect samples for lab testing, LOL. You are even more ignorant than I suspected.

And if this accredited Turkish lab found out she was a dude in 2022, how come they waited until the next year and 3 days after she beat the Russian to suddenly reveal all this?

The lab never published the results. They were leaked.

It's amazing that you spend this much energy to avoid asking yourself the more obvious question: if Khelif could kill all of this press, and the past litigation against him in the international courts of sport, by simply taking the test to prove he was a genetic female...why wouldn't he do that?

Whoops, think I answered my own question with phrasing.

 

[Halge]

They don't really ask you about it, do they?

I don't really care about this discussion.

I can't imagine caring what someone else does or doesn't watch. People like that might exist, but they're probably very weird.

Uh? That's the sort of thing that crops up in everyday conversation all the time. You've never been asked "do you watch sports" or "what did you think about the Big Game last night"? It's one of the things you know a new acquiantance will ask you sooner or later.

 

[Siver!]

I don't really care about this discussion.


Uh? That's the sort of thing that crops up in everyday conversation all the time. You've never been asked "do you watch sports" or "what did you think about the Big Game last night"? It's one of the things you know a new acquiantance will ask you sooner or later.

Even if someone asked if I watched sports, which they don't because I actually know my friends and family, I doubt they'd give a shit if I said no.

I do watch sport, but I don't watch musicals, nobody has ever once enquired why.

 

[xhaydenx]

What you're saying sounds more like a conspiracy theory than what the other guy is saying.

The IBA was the official governing body of amateur boxing since 1920, then within months of banning Khalif and Ting, they lose their license.

It's just as likely that they lost their license due to a climate of wokeness at the time, rather than "corruption" that had seemingly never been enough of a problem until a few months after they ban 2 athletes in a highly politically-charged decision.

They'd already been caught match fixing among other things. They were always losing their position. It doesn't matter if they held it since 1920. They've been dodgy for over 20 years. This isn't some new thing with them.

20+ countries don't just boycott your events because of sudden wokeness.

And they got banned back in 2019 by the IOC. They were all good with Imane back then when she was getting knocked out of their events in the first round like the bum level boxer she is.

So, no issues with Imane until 3 days after she beats the heavy fav Russian girl in a russian run org with decades of corruption and they suddenly come out with some magic test that they don't want to explain at all. You think that's a conspiracy theory? What about how people who Russia decide they don't like suddenly fall out of windows and die all the time? Do you think that's a conspiracy also?

 

[Neph]

I don't trust Russian sources; they're known to be corrupt and had a state sponsored doping program that substituted samples in a coordinated fashion to evade detection in the Olympics and other events.

With that said if Imane want to clear their name they can take the test with somewhere reputable - which Russia sure as fuck isn't - and clear their name.

I suspect they won't, if you know what I mean.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

For months, all the mainstream media outlets were claiming this was straight bigotry and that Imane Khelif was being railroaded by the corrupt Russian led boxing organization. Because Khelif beat a Russian boxer in the World Championships.

That Khelif was a female being maligned by bigots. That this was Russian propaganda. Well it turns out she was actually male. AND the now British based World Boxing which now runs Olympic boxing requires genetic gender testing.

I predict most mainstream media outlets are not going to touch this story.

Olympic boxing champ Imane Khelif requires gender test to continue fighting

Medical report leaked that ‘proves Imane Khelif is biological male’

Sex-test results published online which appear to indicate controversial Olympic champion has male XY chromosomes

Imane Khelif celebrates her gold-medal win at the Paris Olympics last August.

Imane Khelif’s sex-test results from the 2023 World Championships have been published for the first time, with the medical report appearing to indicate that the boxer is biologically male.

Just 36 hours after World Boxing ruled that Khelif, a hugely controversial Olympic champion in women’s boxing at last summer’s Paris Games, would need to undergo sex screening to be eligible for any future appearances in the female category, the document at the heart of this extraordinary saga was released into the public domain.

Alan Abrahamson, the American journalist who disclosed in Paris how the International Olympic Committee (IOC) had been warned more than a year earlier that Khelif had the DNA of a “male”, produced the result of a test carried out on the boxer in New Delhi in March 2023, triggering the boxer’s disqualification from the championships that year.

The document published on the 3 Wire Sports website summarises the findings on Khelif as “abnormal”, stating: “Chromosome analysis reveals male karyotype”. A karyotype refers to an individual’s complete set of chromosomes, which in Khelif’s case has been reported by the International Boxing Association (IBA) as being XY, the male pattern.

The test results carry the letterhead of Dr Lal PathLabs in New Delhi, accredited by the American College of Pathologists and certified by the Swiss-based International Organisation for Standardisation. This directly challenges the account of IOC spokesman Mark Adams, who in a tense news conference at the Paris Olympics described the results as “ad hoc” and “not legitimate”.

World Boxing has ruled Khelif must pass a sext test to compete in their events Credit: ITV

Thomas Bach, the IOC president, has gone even further, claiming that the results are the product of a Russian-led misinformation campaign. He pointed out in an interview earlier this year that the IBA, headed by Russia’s Umar Kremlev, had been stripped of IOC recognition in a row over ethics and financial management. The official authentication of the Indian laboratory that conducted the tests on Khelif increases the pressure on the IOC to explain why it believes the results are illegitimate.

It also makes any potential comeback by Khelif far more complicated. Outwardly the 26-year-old has been defiant, even vowing to win a second successive Olympic gold medal in Los Angeles in 2028. But World Boxing has ruled that Khelif is ineligible to enter future events as a woman without first submitting to the same chromosome testing that has already triggered the boxer’s disqualification at global level.

The governing body, provisionally approved to run Olympic boxing in LA, has announced that all athletes in its competitions over 18 years old must undergo a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) genetic test to determine their sex. The test detects chromosomal material through a mouth swab, saliva or blood. Khelif, who was allowed to box in Paris because of female passport status, has failed to provide any evidence of having female chromosomes in the nine months since the scandal erupted.

World Boxing’s tougher stance on the issue comes in response to widespread outrage at the scenes in Paris, where both Khelif and Taiwan’s Lin Yu-ting swept to Olympic titles, despite having been banned by the IBA the previous year on the grounds that they did not have XX chromosomes. Italy’s Angela Carini, the first opponent beaten by Khelif, described how she had been punched so hard that she feared for her life.

Mexico’s Brianda Tamara, who fought Khelif in 2022, said: “I don’t think I had ever felt like that in my 13 years as a boxer, nor in my sparring with men.” Latin American federations ultimately proved highly influential in persuading World Boxing to prioritise the reality of sex, in order to uphold fairness and safety for women.

In correspondence seen by Telegraph Sport, the Honduran federation told the Women’s Rights Network that “necessary measures should be taken so that only women by birth can compete in women’s competitions”. Their Peruvian counterparts also strongly urged the “protection of women”.

I find it absolutely disgraceful that anyone ever tried to argue otherwise. Absolute scumbags who were adding to this fucked up madness being pushed by the people in power and their media lackeys.

 

[xhaydenx]

She did fail. WTH are you talking about. The labs confirmed it.

She'd passed all their tests up until she beat Azalia. Then all of a sudden they came out with mysterious new ones.

Yea because it would be a privacy issue for the IBA to just divulge that she's a man.

It's not a privacy issue to explain what the tests are. That's why the IOC paid no attention to them. The IBA refused to explain even the basics.

This is pure conjecture on your part. And it still doesn't explain why Lin was also banned even though he/she didn't fight a Russian boxer.

It's not conjecture. She did get her undefeated record back and she was the favorite.

Proof she couldn't pay for it? Why wouldn't the Algerian government foot this bill then?

Gender testing doesn't even cost that much.

It says she was "given the opportunity to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) within 21 days."

How the fuck do you know how much cash she has? By all accounts she's always been dirt poor. The Gov don't have to pay for that stuff for some can Ammy fighter.

The samples always come from the athlete. Athletic associations aren't the ones that collect samples for lab testing, LOL. You are even more ignorant than I suspected.

So, you think if someone goes and gets a sample re-tested somewhere else then they just go and get new ones from the athlete? What would be the point of that? lol.

It's amazing that you spend this much energy to avoid asking yourself the more obvious question: if Khelif could kill all of this press, and the past litigation against him in the international courts of sport, by simply taking the test to prove he was a genetic female...why wouldn't he do that?

Who cares? That isn't relevant to what we're discussing. If I had to guess though, I'd say it's probably because he's packing a dick and doesn't want to get exposed being a cheating, lying rat.

EDIT: @Madmick ignore my replies to you above. Thought I was replying to Hog-Train, who I'm happy to discuss stuff with. Will pass on it with you seeings you came in here like a dickhead to begin with.

 

[Madmick]

EDIT: @Madmick ignore my replies to you above. Thought I was replying to Hog-Train, who I'm happy to discuss stuff with. Will pass on it with you seeings you came in here like a dickhead to begin with.

Concession accepted.

 

[Hog-train]

She'd passed all their tests up until she beat Azalia. Then all of a sudden they came out with mysterious new ones.

2022 in Istanbul was the first time she got gender tested. Then got retested in 2023. You're just making facts up to suit your argument.

It's not a privacy issue to explain what the tests are. That's why the IOC paid no attention to them. The IBA refused to explain even the basics.

They explained what the tests were. And also notified the IOC a year before the Olympics.

Notice what they said. "failed to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in women's competition".

Read between the lines. It's obvious what they're saying.

It's not conjecture. She did get her undefeated record back and she was the favorite.

It is complete conjecture on your part. You're claiming fraud with zero evidence.

Because you're saying the IBA faked a test on two separate occasions for both Khelif and Lin just because Khelif beat a Russian boxer.

You do realize the IBA has been governing boxing for literally decades. You're claiming they did all this fake shit for one Russian boxer's record.

It says she was "given the opportunity to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) within 21 days."

Appealing to the CAS was actually done by Khelif and then withdrawn. Appealing is not the same thing as getting additional testing done. Get out with this nonsense argument that she didn't have time to appeal.

How the fuck do you know how much cash she has? By all accounts she's always been dirt poor. The Gov don't have to pay for that stuff for some can Ammy fighter.

How the fuck do YOU know she's dirt poor and can't pay for gender testing?

And FYI this isn't some random amateur fighter. She ALREADY FOUGHT AT THE OLYMPICS in 2020.

In fact the first female boxer for Algeria at the Olympics.

So get your facts straight. And GTFO with this nonsense she couldn't afford to pay for gender testing. The government of Algeria can foot the bill for one gender test for their 1st ever female boxer to compete at the Olympics.

So, you think if someone goes and gets a sample re-tested somewhere else then they just go and get new ones from the athlete? What would be the point of that? lol.

No need to get the initial sample retested. They could just give new samples. It's a simple cheek swab.

 

[AmonTobin]

She did fail. WTH are you talking about. The labs confirmed it.

I'm believing the governing body and two independent, accredited labs.

If, as you say, it’s already been proven that she’s a biological man, why would she even be given the opportunity to take a test for the new governing body before competing? Don’t you think she would be banned from any future female competition if the allegations were already proven?

 

[Hog-train]

If, as you say, it’s already been proven that she’s a biological man, why would she even be given the opportunity to take a test for the new governing body before competing?

Because we now have a new sporting body that oversees Olympic boxing - the UK based World Boxing.

And they're requiring not just Khelif, but ALL boxers to do gender tests.

It was the only the Western media saying the Russian led IBA was corrupt and lying. Based on zero evidence BTW.

Don’t you think she would be banned from any future female competition if the allegations were already proven?

She is still banned from the still IBA led World Championships.

It's only the politically motivated media who is trying to say all this shit is bigotry.

 

[xhaydenx]

Appealing to the CAS was actually done by Khelif and then withdrawn. Appealing is not the same thing as getting additional testing done. Get out with this nonsense argument that she didn't have time to appeal.

I didn't say she didn't have time to appeal. I was literally quoting what was stated in an article.

No need to get the initial sample retested. They could just give new samples. It's a simple cheek swab.

And did they?

They explained what the tests were. And also notified the IOC a year before the Olympics.

Where does it say that they explained what the tests were? Because that was the big controversy: that they weren't explaining what they were actually doing and how.

If they explained everything to the IOC with proof, why would the IOC not act on it? Not acting on it and it coming out, which would have been easy for the IBA to do, would have been terrible for the IOC.

2022 in Istanbul was the first time she got gender tested.

So, why did the IBA wait until after she beat Azalia in 2023 and another of their events to reveal everything? Or do I have the dates wrong there?

 

[AmonTobin]

Because we now have a new sporting body that oversees Olympic boxing - the UK based World Boxing.

And they're requiring not just Khelif, but ALL boxers to do gender tests.

It was the only the Western media saying the Russian led IBA was corrupt and lying. Based on zero evidence BTW.




She is still banned from the still IBA led World Championships.

It's only the politically motivated media who is trying to say all this shit is bigotry.

That’s not what I’m getting at. Im questioning your logic. Why bother testing a biological male again if they’ve already tested an athlete as biologically male? Does that make sense to you? There’s obviously an element of doubt here. You might not question the authenticity of past test results but these new governing bodies obviously do. IBA may have banned her but IOC did not/has not and she still holds a medal to this day.

 

[Hog-train]

That’s not what I’m getting at. Im questioning your logic. Why bother testing a biological male again if they’ve already tested an athlete as biologically male? Does that make sense to you? There’s obviously an element of doubt here. You might not question the authenticity of past test results but these new governing bodies obviously do.

I already gave you a straightforward answer. Everybody was saying the IBA and the two labs were lying.

So another test with the NEW governing body will erase all doubt.

Where does it say that they explained what the tests were? Because that was the big controversy: that they weren't explaining what they were actually doing and how.

The former president of the IBA, Umar Kremlev, literally said Imane Khelif is a man and that DNA test results showed she has XY chromosomes.

The official statement on the IBA website said Khelif failed a test to qualify for women's competition. Pretty fucking obvious what they're saying.

If they explained everything to the IOC with proof, why would the IOC not act on it? Not acting on it and it coming out, which would have been easy for the IBA to do, would have been terrible for the IOC.

They explained to the IOC with proof by sending the test results. Again, STOP MAKING UP FACTS.

The IOC didn't act on it because they're playing gender politics.

And it HAS been terrible for the IOC.

They moronically said at the outset the passport said female, so she's female. That was the extent of their stupid ass argument.

So, why did the IBA wait until after she beat Azalia in 2023 and another of their events to reveal everything? Or do I have the dates wrong there?

You're making it sound like they waited months. It was just days.

Blood sample collection was made on 17 March 2023. The World Championships were also in March 2023. It obviously takes time for the samples to get processed.

The 2022 tests gave confusing and inconclusive results. That's why they were tested again in 2023.

And they were initially tested because competitors of theirs were complaining that they suspected they were men WAY BEFORE she fought at the World Championships. BEFORE she fought the Russian boxer in 2023.

 

[AmonTobin]

I already gave you a straightforward answer. Everybody was saying the IBA and the two labs were lying.

So another test with the NEW governing body will erase all doubt.

That’s my point, good buddy. Doubt. You have no doubt but others in key roles do. If there was no doubt, no further testing of Khelif would be required ever again.

 

[Hog-train]

That’s my point, good buddy. Doubt. You have no doubt but others in key roles do. If there was no doubt, no further testing of Khelif would be required ever again.

All the "doubt" was based on mainstream media claiming it was bigotry based on ZERO EVIDENCE.

Because of gender politics.

They claimed the IBA was lying because a Russian boxer lost. Pure conjecture based on zero actual evidence.

They claimed the two internationally accredited labs must be in cahoots with the IBA. Again based on zero evidence.

They had no logical reason to think the IBA would do this supposed hoax, so they made up reasons. Such as the IBA caring so much about 1 Russian boxer's record that they lied to the world and conspired with the labs. Ridiculous stretch.

The IBA has been in existence for decades and have overseen the Olympics for years.

The media (and people like you) keep casting doubt on the obvious truth because of emotions. You don't want to believe it so you make up all these justifications in your mind and choose to believe it. Instead of looking at the actual facts.

 

[AmonTobin]

All the "doubt" was based on mainstream media claiming it was bigotry based on ZERO EVIDENCE.

Because of gender politics.

They claimed the IBA was lying because a Russian boxer lost. Pure conjecture based on zero actual evidence.

They claimed the two internationally accredited labs must be in cahoots with the IBA. Again based on zero evidence.

They had no logical reason to think the IBA would do this supposed hoax, so they made up reasons. Such as the IBA caring so much about 1 Russian boxer's record that they lied to the world and conspired with the labs. Ridiculous stretch.

The IBA has been in existence for decades and have overseen the Olympics for years.

The media (and people like you) keep casting doubt on the obvious truth because of emotions. You don't want to believe it so you make up all these justifications in your mind and choose to believe it. Instead of looking at the actual facts.

So she was awarded an Olympic medal and retains it to this day because the Olympics committee is being manipulated by gender politics and the media? I’m not really interested in all the speculation and conspiracy theories and I have no emotional investment in this whatsoever. I’m interested in the truth, nothing more. As it stands, I think you might be the one manipulated by gender politics and the media. I’ll be happy to admit I’m wrong if the “Khelif is a man” story ever breaks officially.

 

[Stoic1]

The poster is Xhaydenx.

X Hayden X.

You understand why this person is fully committed to their nonsense?

You all appear to be arguing with a trans person.

 

[Hog-train]

So she was awarded an Olympic medal and retains it to this day because the Olympics committee is being manipulated by gender politics and the media? I’m not really interested in all the speculation and conspiracy theories and I have no emotional investment in this whatsoever. I’m interested in the truth, nothing more.

The IOC literally said at a press conference and on their website she's a female because her passport said female. That is comically retarded and they were obviously being swayed by gender politics. They did zero actual testing themselves. Plus there's a history of countries cheating by sending males as females in many previous Olympics.

The IOC is not responsible for administering testing for gender or even PED's for that matter. That's left up to the sporting bodies of which the IBA was responsible for Olympic boxing.

The IBA sent the test results to the IOC and gave a notice of Khelif and Lin's ineligibility one year before the Olympics. The IOC chose to do nothing.