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International Turkey is Angry that the Massacre of 1,500,000 Armenians is Finally Being Recognized a "Genocide"

Or China's behavior in Tibet and Xinjiang ; though I don't know if the average Chinese admits to it and if its only the government that tries to deny it.

They teach chinese kids in the school that Tibet and Xinjiang were "liberated" by chairman Mao of the oppression of the Lamas and such. don't expect the average chinese folk recognizing it.

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They teach chinese kids in the school that Tibet and Xinjiang were "liberated" by chairman Mao of the oppression of the Lamas and such. don't expect the average chinese folk recognizing it.

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This sound more fantasy than north koreans landing on the sun lol
 
This is something I have noticed for years from dominant MiddleEastern and South Asians cultures, they can never admit to all the genocides and atrocities they committed . Same could be said for East Asia , I mean look at the Japanese and how they deny and or try to downplay their WW2 atrocities. Or China's behavior in Tibet and Xinjiang ; though I don't know if the average Chinese admits to it and if its only the government that tries to deny it. Or Indonesia and their genocide in East Timor.

This, i agree.


or to make it easier, Non white people sometimes found it hard to admit that their ancestor have committed crimes against humanity.
 
And funny how South Korea didn't bring up these alleged "sex slaves" in 1965 when Japan signed a normalization of relations agreement and paid compensation to SK (at that time the Japanese government proposed to compensate each individual claimant but the Korean gov't insisted that they would take care of the compensation, got the lump sum and used it to build infrastructure which they hid from the Korean people) along with several other Asian countries.

After all if 200,000 women were really kidnapped to be sex slaves during the war, then why not bring it up just 20 years after the war during the compensation negotiations?

And what kind of an imbecilic army would go to the extent of kidnapping 200,000 women from Korea while fighting a life and death war against the West?

And why just Korea, why not Taiwan as Taiwan was under Japanese rule even longer than Korea (50 vs 35).

Also when are the Americans and South Koreans going to compensate Vietnam for all the destruction and atrocities (there are still babies born with deformities due to your use of Agent Orange).

When is Britain going to apologize and compensate India and a number of other countries for their colonial tyranny and atrocities?

well this what i called circle of blaming

when westerner bring up atrocities committed by easterner, most people said "you committed atrocities too"

and when easterner bring up atrocities committed by westerner, they also do the same.

can we just accept that all our ancestor commit crime against humanity at some point.
 
Thumbs up for the Pope calling a spade a spade.

The ADL (Anti-Defamation League) for many years argued against it being called a genocide.

Strong evidence supports Jews playing major role in Armenian genocide. So it's not surprising.
 
I'm perfectly okay with accepting that my country's done some fucking horrific things at times, so why can't they? It doesn't mean that you did it.

Ah ha ha. Look at America. Modern Americans get blamed for slavery all the time.

And lol at Obama pussying out AGAIN.
 
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Genocide is genocide. The sooner Turkey acknowledges this, the sooner things can move forward.
 
They teach chinese kids in the school that Tibet and Xinjiang were "liberated" by chairman Mao of the oppression of the Lamas and such. don't expect the average chinese folk recognizing it.

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Lol, funny.

I wonder what kind of briefing they give them when they come to study in America for college? There were tons of students from the mainland at my university. I remember one of them somehow getting into a discussion about the Chinese government during a physics lab, of all places, and she was just in complete denial.

I'm assuming they make them major in technical and scientific fields, first of all, since those will lead to the least amount of exposure to a non-Chinese take on China's history. But, at least in America, you have to take liberal arts classes in order to graduate. That means some sort of history class or two. Then there's unbridled access to the internet for the first time in their lives. How do they expect to keep them down on the farm once they've seen Paris, figuratively speaking?
 
Well, we admit something really miserable happened but let's argue this technicality instead of...
Am I doing that right?
 
"In 2014 SyrianPresident Bashar al-Assad became the first Syrian head of state to acknowledge the mass murders of Armenians and identify the perpetrator as Ottoman Turkey, stating, "The degree of savagery and inhumanity that the terrorists have reached reminds us of what happened in the Middle Ages in Europe over 500 years ago. In more recent modern times, it reminds us of the massacres perpetrated by the Ottomans against the Armenians, when they killed a million and a half Armenians and half a million Orthodox Syriacs in Syria and in Turkish territory." Although Assad did not use the word genocide, two days after Assad's statement Bashar Jaafari, Syria

Lol, as a joke I was going to say "I bet Assad recognized the genocide." And well, there it is.

Geopolitics gunna geopolitic.
 
Lol, funny.

I wonder what kind of briefing they give them when they come to study in America for college? There were tons of students from the mainland at my university. I remember one of them somehow getting into a discussion about the Chinese government during a physics lab, of all places, and she was just in complete denial.

I'm assuming they make them major in technical and scientific fields, first of all, since those will lead to the least amount of exposure to a non-Chinese take on China's history. But, at least in America, you have to take liberal arts classes in order to graduate. That means some sort of history class or two. Then there's unbridled access to the internet for the first time in their lives. How do they expect to keep them down on the farm once they've seen Paris, figuratively speaking?

I'd say the average person there just swallows whole what they've been taught in class, and is repeated in the media. Others will publicly pretend to buy into the propaganda so as to not rock the boat. It's really only certain people that look up the truth and realize what's up.

When I first got here to Taiwan, I stayed in a near-empty hostel for a week. The only other person staying there was a guy from China that was studying here. He insisted that Taiwan was part of China, despite living here and knowing better. Plenty of Taiwanese who go abroad (like the US, Canada, Europe) and meet Chinese people say the latter quickly get into political debates with them about this stuff.
 
The ADL (Anti-Defamation League) for many years argued against it being called a genocide.
Wtf? Why? I get the Turks but the ADL? I thought their shtick was sniffing out antisemitism.
 
Wtf? Why? I get the Turks but the ADL? I thought their shtick was sniffing out antisemitism.

There is a lot of politics and strategy around victimology. Seeking a monopoly on victimhood has strategic benefit for Israel and Zionism at large.
 
It's funny to see Muricans in here crying about Turkey not admitting to a genocide but we don't call the killing off of Native Americans a genocide.
 
It's funny to see Muricans in here crying about Turkey not admitting to a genocide but we don't call the killing off of Native Americans a genocide.

Sometimes it was a genocide, and there was plenty of land theft, but the instances of Americans straight-up killing Native Americans are surprisingly few. 98% of the damage was from communicable diseases, from natives who had zero resistance to the maelstrom of nasty Old World diseases that the Europeans carried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#Americas

Put another way, even if the Euros had been the most wondrous angels that ever stepped foot on this earth, who longed for nothing more than distributing lollipops and jujubees, the natives would have been hit with hideous 90+% death rate anyways. Only way to prevent that would be to prevent any contact at all.
 
It's funny to see Muricans in here crying about Turkey not admitting to a genocide but we don't call the killing off of Native Americans a genocide.

Turkey was committing genocide during the 1800s, and continued until at least the 1920s. Pogroms (Constantinople) and illegal invasions (Cyprus) have persisted until the 1950s and 1970s.

In my opinion it is completely incomparable to how the Native American's were treated. If the US had deliberately killed 90% of the natives and then kept the remaining 10% as slaves then you may have a point.
 
This is something I have noticed for years from dominant MiddleEastern and South Asians cultures, they can never admit to all the genocides and atrocities they committed . Same could be said for East Asia , I mean look at the Japanese and how they deny and or try to downplay their WW2 atrocities. Or China's behavior in Tibet and Xinjiang ; though I don't know if the average Chinese admits to it and if its only the government that tries to deny it. Or Indonesia and their genocide in East Timor.
Mainland Chinese have been taught that Tibet has always been part of China
 
This is something I have noticed for years from dominant MiddleEastern and South Asians cultures, they can never admit to all the genocides and atrocities they committed . Same could be said for East Asia , I mean look at the Japanese and how they deny and or try to downplay their WW2 atrocities. Or China's behavior in Tibet and Xinjiang ; though I don't know if the average Chinese admits to it and if its only the government that tries to deny it. Or Indonesia and their genocide in East Timor.

This, I agree.


or to make it easier, Non white people sometimes found it hard to admit that their ancestor have committed crimes against humanity.

It's not just the big stuffs like crimes against humanity. I notice that folks from the West are more readily to accept and express their regrets when something bad happened and they're at fault, even partially.

I've been to many places around the world, and I have seen many a fight breaking out in the street when two adults accidentally bump into each others while walking and neither would say sorry. Ofcourse, in those places politicians rarely have the self-respect and accountability needed to resigns when they're caught breaking the laws as well.

In many cultures, it's very important to convince yourself that you're not at fault in order to save face, even if everyone else knows the truth.
 
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