Well, um, this is it. So I guess you guys can argue your heart out. Tudor, if you want to lay down your assertions and, well you know how arguments are lined up. Then everyone will know what to argue against thus being easier to follow. I am not really into this subject as paaionately as some of you guys so I guess I'll be dropping in everyonce in a while to see how everything is going and how much progress is being made. Good luck guys!