International TSMC Arizona struggled with "US work culture" so it imported Taiwanese migrants.. but now being targeted by crime

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For the past few years, TSMC replaced its American workers with Taiwanese migrants because of the massive difference in work culture.

I've been keeping up on this on tech forums for the past couple years.

One of the things with Biden's CHIPS act was the US TSMC factory would have DEI when it comes to hiring workers, but that isn't working out. They're just not up to the task and don't have the work ethic that Taiwanese workers are putting out.

www.tomshardware.com

TSMC Arizona struggles to overcome vast differences between Taiwanese and US work culture

Worker treatment that's acceptable in Taiwan simply won't be tolerated by US employees
www.tomshardware.com




But now that we have Taiwanese workers, they've been targeted by criminals. It's been a shitshow and hopefully now they got their bearings and with DEI being thrown in the trash by Trump administration.

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From the OP's link

One big problem is that TSMC has been trying to do things the Taiwanese way, even in the U.S. In Taiwan, TSMC is known for extremely rigorous working conditions, including 12-hour work days that extend into the weekends and calling employees into work in the middle of the night for emergencies. TSMC managers in Taiwan are also known to use harsh treatment and threaten workers with being fired for relatively minor failures.


TSMC quickly learned that such practices won’t work in the U.S. Recent reports indicated that the company’s labor force in Arizona is leaving the new plant over these perceived abuses, and TSMC is struggling to fill those vacancies.
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But yeah, it's definitely DEI that's preventing TSMC from getting workers, and has nothing to do with how TSMC treats their workers. It says so right in the article.
 
jefferz said:
From the OP's link



But yeah, it's definitely DEI that's preventing TSMC from getting workers, and has nothing to do with how TSMC treats their workers. It says so right in the article.
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One of the few times I'll agree with this chucklefuck.

Google search suggest the average wage for these positions is like $~70k a year. If you want skilled workers to put in 12 hours a day and basically be on call 24/7, you have to pay probably double that at a minimum.

The issue here is they're allowed to bring in foreign workers. Close that loophole and they'd be forced to pay competitive rates.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
One of the few times I'll agree with this chucklefuck.

Google search suggest the average wage for these positions is like $~70k a year. If you want skilled workers to put in 12 hours a day and basically be on call 24/7, you have to pay probably double that at a minimum.

The issue here is they're allowed to bring in foreign workers. Close that loophole and they'd be forced to pay competitive rates.
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Agreed
 
jefferz said:
From the OP's link



But yeah, it's definitely DEI that's preventing TSMC from getting workers, and has nothing to do with how TSMC treats their workers. It says so right in the article.
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Speaking as someone who knows TSMC engineers, they're pretty fucking brutal with schedules, even compared to FAANG .

Not to mention everyone is of course going to gloss over the fact that TSMC wages in Taiwan are not competitive, the only reason they work over there is because the NTD has historically been kept weak.
 
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avenue94 said:
Speaking as someone who knows TSMC engineers, they're pretty fucking brutal with schedules, even compared to FAANG .

Not to mention everyone is of course going to gloss over the fact that TSMC wages in Taiwan are not competitive, the only reason they work over there is because the NTD has historically been kept weak.
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Nah dude, the problem here is DEI. I suggest you go back and read the link in the OP.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
While DEI nonsense has been accused of delaying CHIP ACT progress -- this seems to be more connected to the ability differences of American vs Taiwanese labor.


“Critically, this must include significant investments to create opportunities for Americans from historically underserved communities.”

{<jordan}
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Go figure, most of these folks would much rather prefer to work in places other than Arizona lol
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
Not sure where you got that from the article and NIST sheet I posted, but ok
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Semiconductor labor is extremely scarce, and if given the choice most would prefer to work at existing fabs or campuses in much nicer parts of the country. If you want enough labor for Phoenix, longterm it's easier to just recruit from the area and develop the talent sooner in the pipeline (ie high school and populations that are less exposed to the semiconductor industry).
 
jefferz said:
Not sure where you got the DEI stuff from your article, but ok.
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Huh? It's literally a piece attempting to connect DEI policy bloat and the roll out of the CHIPS act..

Maybe try reading it?
 
avenue94 said:
Semiconductor labor is extremely scarce, and if given the choice most would prefer to work at existing fabs or campuses in much nicer parts of the country. If you want enough labor for Phoenix, longterm it's easier to just recruit from the area and develop the talent sooner in the pipeline (ie high school and populations that are less exposed to the semiconductor industry).
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I would say Arizona is as desirable of a place as anywhere fabs are located in the US as they already have a large Fab workforce and im sure workforce availability was factored into the decision to build a plant there.And I agree with high school and vocational schools but having to reach out to the dregs of the workforce, that's just nah.

I support bringing in the Asian workforce to meet demands
 
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JudoThrowFiasco said:
Huh? It's literally a piece attempting to connect DEI policy bloat and the roll out of the CHIPS act..

Maybe try reading it?
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You need to go back and read your own article.

How about this, copy/paste the part of the article that you think says that TSMC can’t find workers because of DEI.
 
jefferz said:
You need to go back and read your own article.

How about this, copy/paste the part of the article that you think says that TSMC can’t find workers because of DEI.
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Where did I say it did? Reading comprehension may not be your strong suit..let me give it to you again

"While DEI nonsense has been accused of delaying CHIP ACT progress" and then linking a piece that outlines that argument

Then I followed with: "this seems to be more connected to the ability differences of American vs Taiwanese labor" to respond to the claim in the OP
 
Whatever the reasoning the right pulls out here is the reality I am sure the 6.2 billion the US offered to TSMC and switching to Trump and Elon had nothing to do with them delaying the fab. Seeing that Apple was going to use most of the capacity and Leon said Taiwan is integral to China. He wants to stiff Taiwan and he is making 10's of billions from China. No conflict of interest anywhere. lol




 
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