Elections Trump Town Hall

[Inquisitor]

We’ve reached a point where we have 2 separate discussions on 2 diff topics (Communism, and arms/militias) so I’ll try and be brief.
-The Oath Keepers have threatened or implied violence several times: such as calling for John McCain to hanged for (their perception of) “treason”, attending the showdown with Cliven Bundy, or when they posted an article on their website that if Hillary won in 2016, the result would be Civil War. In the Kim Davis situation, they offered to be her armed security detail to “protect” her from being arrested if she was found in contempt of court again. That is at the very least for the purpose of intimidation and threat of violence. It doesn’t matter if they “felt” a judge exceeded their authority. We have courts, we have Due Process. They don’t get to play soldier every time they don’t like a court case.
And I have no idea what your links about presidents calling up militias have to do with anything other than proving my point: armed militias, be they right-wing or left-wing, are not properly formed and are not currently called upon by any Constitutional means.

We're talking about two different things because you're deflecting. You don't want to focus on the imminent threat that's coming from the left.

Militias are fighting the ANTIFA communist insurgency and that's what they were meant for.

Like I said, when half baked intellectuals occupy positions of power in the government and civil service, people will take it upon themselves.

So believe it or not, we have some points of agreement. The problem though, is extremists—and both sides have them. Are there people on the left that take things like “cancel culture” too far? Abso-fucking-lutely there are. I speak out against those people, same as you do. But you seem blind to the transgressions happening on your side. You don’t like that one BLM member is a fan of Maduro? That’s totally understandable. Personally, I don’t particularly like the fact that our President is a fan of Duterte, Kim, and Putin. As another example, take the Peterson video you posted.
At about 3:20, John Anderson says that we try and silence debate, and shut down language so that it’s hard to have a debate. But I haven’t tried to shut down debate, I relish and enjoy debate. In terms of shutting down language, this is not what “the left” do, it’s what extremists do. After all, isn’t that precisely what terms like Communist, Marxist, TDS, SJW, White Knight, Snowflake, Virtue Signal, and the like are meant to do? They act as substitutes for actual thought and discourse, and you’ve used it for those ends repeatedly. I don’t think you do it on purpose though.

(Oh and for the record: I’m not a communist, socialist, or Marxist. I don’t actually think Marxism is a workable practical philosophy, FWIW.)

But what about the right!!!!

The left occupies the positions of power. They are Marxist social justice warriors that believe they need to dismantle the West. They will take everyone rights and freedom away just like they are doing in other Western countries.

You're not debating, you're deflecting. No, Communist, Marxist, SJW is not meant to shut anything down. What a sad way to get people to stop calling it what it is.

People go bananas over the Nazi ideology and believe it should be purged. But not communist ideologies and communist psychological warfare which has murdered far more than any other ideology.

 

[BFoe]

We're talking about two different things because you're deflecting. You don't want to focus on the imminent threat that's coming from the left.

Militias are fighting the ANTIFA communist insurgency and that's what they were meant for.

Like I said, when half baked intellectuals occupy positions of power in the government and civil service, people will take it upon themselves.

It’s the fault of the “half-baked intellectuals in positions of power in the government?” Republicans hold the Executive Branch, Republicans hold the majority in the Senate and (did in the House before 2018 midterms), Republicans/Conservatives control the Supreme Court and have for the last half-century. Give me a break about how “the left” occupies all of these powerful government positions.
It’s not that I’m deflecting; I just don’t agree with you. I’ve addressed your assertion that I want to take everyone’s guns (I don’t), I’ve addressed why current militias are full of shit.and I’ve drawn a bunch of parallels between your own behavior and the exact people you are criticizing, which you haven’t answered in any meaningful way.

But what about the right!!!!

The left occupies the positions of power. They are Marxist social justice warriors that believe they need to dismantle the West. They will take everyone rights and freedom away just like they are doing in other Western countries.

You're not debating, you're deflecting. No, Communist, Marxist, SJW is not meant to shut anything down. What a sad way to get people to stop calling it what it is.

People go bananas over the Nazi ideology and believe it should be purged. But not communist ideologies and communist psychological warfare which has murdered far more than any other ideology.

Discussion or debate is a two-way street. This isn’t a game where you get to attack and I get to agree with you. I’m going to defend my points of view, and I’m going to point out where you contradict yourself or are hypocritical. But you just keep coming back to “leftists are communists are marxists are everywhere are bad.” It’s been an enjoyable discussion though.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Its weird...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/27/falwell-conservative-cuckold-fantasies/
https://www.insider.com/why-conservative-men-are-attracted-to-cuckolding-sex-kinks-2020-9

...but kinda explains why right-wing strongholds like 4chan are full of interracial and cuck porn... Its ultimate projection

Yeah, I don't go on 4chan. Sites that host murder vids in fetish manner are not for me.

 

[Inquisitor]

It’s the fault of the “half-baked intellectuals in positions of power in the government?” Republicans hold the Executive Branch, Republicans hold the majority in the Senate and (did in the House before 2018 midterms), Republicans/Conservatives control the Supreme Court and have for the last half-century. Give me a break about how “the left” occupies all of these powerful government positions.
It’s not that I’m deflecting; I just don’t agree with you. I’ve addressed your assertion that I want to take everyone’s guns (I don’t), I’ve addressed why current militias are full of shit.and I’ve drawn a bunch of parallels between your own behavior and the exact people you are criticizing, which you haven’t answered in any meaningful way.



Discussion or debate is a two-way street. This isn’t a game where you get to attack and I get to agree with you. I’m going to defend my points of view, and I’m going to point out where you contradict yourself or are hypocritical. But you just keep coming back to “leftists are communists are marxists are everywhere are bad.” It’s been an enjoyable discussion though.

Local and State governments... they also occupy positions of power in mass media, business and most importantly, the educational system.

You are deflecting because you can't stop trying to make it about the right.

You're going to vote for people that will take people's guns. Plenty of leftists want to take people's guns.

Currently militias are not full of shit just because some people are tired of the shitty government. These people sense something is wrong be there is. Even if you think they are full of shit, are you going to want to fight them or something?

You haven't drawn a bunch of parallels about me. You're just making up nonsense in your weird subverted fantasy land.

I haven't contradicted myself at all nor have I been hypocritical. This is all in your head.

They are everywhere and Yuri even said you can see it, which we clearly can.

 

[Culombo]

 

[hillelslovak87]

Local and State governments... they also occupy positions of power in mass media, business and most importantly, the educational system.

You are deflecting because you can't stop trying to make it about the right.

You're going to vote for people that will take people's guns. Plenty of leftists want to take people's guns.

Currently militias are not full of shit just because some people are tired of the shitty government. These people sense something is wrong be there is. Even if you think they are full of shit, are you going to want to fight them or something?

You haven't drawn a bunch of parallels about me. You're just making up nonsense in your weird subverted fantasy land.

I haven't contradicted myself at all nor have I been hypocritical. This is all in your head.

They are everywhere and Yuri even said you can see it, which we clearly can.

The dipshits who join militias have ALWAYS been dipshits and misfits in modern day America. We are so past the days when militias were even useful.

These private militias are also illegal under the US constitution and state laws in every single state of the union, including Michigan where they attempted a terrorist act against at least two sitting US senators.

You're just boring in deeper like some caller to Rush Limbaugh in 1994..........

 

[Inquisitor]

The dipshits who join militias have ALWAYS been dipshits and misfits in modern day America. We are so past the days when militias were even useful.

These private militias are also illegal under the US constitution and state laws in every single state of the union, including Michigan where they attempted a terrorist act against at least two sitting US senators.

You're just boring in deeper like some caller to Rush Limbaugh in 1994..........

Because you say so?

And militias are needed more than ever. Communist insurgencies and communist government tyranny is on the rise.

 

[Cooz]

Removing ACA regulations and allowing health insurance companies to freely sell insurance across state lines. It wasn't explicitly mentioned but it's been part of the plan he said he wants to implement.

May I ask a serious question? What exactly does it mean to sell insurance across state lines. BlueCross BlueShield, Anthem, etc. These insurance corps already sell across the nation. What am I missing here?

 

[Bloody Pulp]

So final ratings were 13.5M for Trump and 14.1M for Biden on TV, but apparently Trump had a 2M+ edge in digital viewership giving him the combined lead it seems.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Because you say so?

And militias are needed more than ever. Communist insurgencies and communist government tyranny is on the rise.

It's not because I say so, it's what federal and state law says. Private militias are not in any way legally operating. Militias, to be legal, must be under the purview of a US governorship. Unless they are regulated by the state, they are illegal, under the constitution AND statutes in every state.

The FBI lays it out for the American people with hard analysis: White supremacists, as we've seen with the Whitmer and Northam plotting, are the greatest domestic terror threat in the USA.

And still, you bleat and moan about communist insurgencies?

https://thehill.com/policy/national...vated-violent-extremism-makes-up-most-of-fbis
The vast majority of people in these agencies are conservative republicans. You're a bunch of crazies arguing in service of a poor man's Buzz Windrip......

 

[Grok]

All the Trumpers are as big of babies as he is. Maybe if he'd stop acting like a manchild moderators and town hall hosts wouldn't have to check his dumbass.

 

[Officer Rick]

The dipshits who join militias have ALWAYS been dipshits and misfits in modern day America. We are so past the days when militias were even useful.

These private militias are also illegal under the US constitution and state laws in every single state of the union, including Michigan where they attempted a terrorist act against at least two sitting US senators.

You're just boring in deeper like some caller to Rush Limbaugh in 1994..........

the national guard is technically a militia

those duck dynasty larpers are just sad

 

[ElKarlo]

A good series of article. Worth it to quote the text in full, just to show how shady this material is:

1. The very idea that a laptop with a video of Hunter Biden smoking crack on it would be given to a random repair shop to recover is absurd. It is years since his drug use and Burisma dealings became a serious issue of international importance, and professionals would long since have taken custody of any relevant hardware or storage. It is beyond the worst operational security in the world to give an unencrypted device with confidential data on it to a third party. It is, however, very much a valid way for someone to make a device appear to be from a person or organization without providing any verification that it is so.
2. The repair shop supposedly could not identify Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, as the customer. But the invoice (for $85 — remarkably cheap for diagnosis, recovery, and backup of three damaged Macs) has “Hunter Biden” written right on it, with a phone number and one of the email addresses he reportedly used. It seems unlikely that Hunter Biden’s personal laptop — again, loaded with personal and confidential information, and possibly communications with the VP — would be given to a small repair shop (rather than an Apple Store or vetted dealer) and that shop would be given his personal details for contact. Political operators with large supporting organizations simply don’t do that — though someone else could have.
3. Even if they did, the idea that Biden or his assistant or whoever would not return to pick up the laptop or pay for the services is extremely suspicious. Again, these are supposedly the personal devices of someone who communicated regularly with the VP, and whose work had come under intense scrutiny long before they were dropped off. They would not be treated lightly or forgotten. On the other hand, someone who wanted this data to be inspected would do exactly this.
4. That the laptops themselves were open and unencrypted is ridiculous. The serial number of the laptop suggests it was a 2017 MacBook Pro, probably running Mojave. Every Mac running Lion or later has easily enabled built-in encryption. It would be unusual for anyone to provide a laptop for repair that had no password or protection whatsoever on its files, let alone a person like Hunter Biden — again, years into efforts to uncover personal data relating to his work in Ukraine. An actor who wanted this data to be discovered and read would leave it unencrypted.
5. That this information would be inspected by the repair shop at all is very suspect indeed. Recovery of an ostensibly damaged Mac would likely take the form of cloning the drive and checking its integrity against the original. There is no reason the files or apps themselves would need to be looked at in the course of the work in the first place. Some shops have software that checks file hashes, if they can see them, against a database of known child sex abuse material. And there have been notable breaches of trust where repair staff illicitly accessed the contents of a laptop to get personal data. But there’s really no legitimate reason for this business to inspect the contents of the devices they are working on, let alone share that information with anyone, let alone a partisan operative. The owner, and avid Trump supporter, gave an interview this morning giving inconsistent information on what had happened and suggested he investigated the laptops of his own volition and retained copies for personal protection.
6. The data itself is not convincing. The Post has published screenshots of emails instead of the full text with metadata — something you would want to do if you wanted to show they were authentic. For stories with potential political implications, it’s wise to verify.
7. Lastly, the fact that a copy was given to Giuliani and Bannon before being handed over to the FBI, and that it is all being published two weeks before the election, lends the whole thing a familiar stink — one you may remember from other pre-election shenanigans in 2016. The choice of the Post as the outlet for distribution is curious, as well; one need only to accidentally step on one in the subway to understand why.

Why are you covering for a crackhead and a corrupt person who has sold us out to Russia and China so hard? Seriously, hunter got a job in Ukraine despite being an unqualified crackhead. His dad got a prosecutor fired. Hunter got a 3.5 million dollar wire transfer from Russia, and you don't believe a crackhead was wasted enough to put his computer somewhere where he forgot it? Seriously, you're supporting s treasonous corrupt, warmongering family. Shame on you and any scruples you pretend to have.

 

[ElKarlo]

Biden has a 50 year record with many scandalous activities, terrible policies, and gaffes....not to mention late breaking scandals. If he was constantly raked over the coals for all these issues repeatedly, ad nauseum like trump is then i would agree.

The media is basically treating hum like a special needs kid. The don't challenge him at all. Especially given his long record in politics.

Trump promised to fight against "the media" and "the establishment." That was his whole campaign. So he goes on TV and is antagonistic toward a debate host-- just like he was towards Chris Wallace last time-- and you are mad at the host??

And that host was completely biased and basically walked Biden to the finish line. MSM has shown they are part of the DNC and stopped even pretending to have integrity

 

[hillelslovak87]

In short, places like that is where the alt-right go to discuss their big ideas:

Also what happens when they finally get their "freedom of speech platform"

Nah, that's 8ch- oh, that's down. Now it's 8kun?

LOL. I love how these alpha maga males congregate on a site that is labeled "kun", which is the honorific for a younger male in Japan. Fitting, the rest of the world looks at these weirdos as dangerous children......

 

[ElKarlo]

The dipshits who join militias have ALWAYS been dipshits and misfits in modern day America. We are so past the days when militias were even useful.

These private militias are also illegal under the US constitution and state laws in every single state of the union, including Michigan where they attempted a terrorist act against at least two sitting US senators.

You're just boring in deeper like some caller to Rush Limbaugh in 1994..........

They're not illegal. Not because you say they are.
Also, places like Wisconsin, Seattle, Chicago, Portland etc, they have to wait and hope the governor calls up the national Guard to protect them. Which doesn't happen or happen too late to save lives and businesses. But that doesn't matter. As its political and you use this to further your ends. Typical awful leftist that demands safety but denies it to others

 

[ElKarlo]

Nah, that's 8ch- oh, that's down. Now it's 8kun?

LOL. I love how these alpha maga males congregate on a site that is labeled "kun", which is the honorific for a younger male in Japan. Fitting, the rest of the world looks at these weirdos as dangerous children......

Kun, man you don't even understand it. You cns call anyone that's socially under you Kun. You can use chan if you are on familiar terms with them.
You're mad at Kun but not chan, when they aren't radically different

 

[hillelslovak87]

They're not illegal. Not because you say they are.
Also, places like Wisconsin, Seattle, Chicago, Portland etc, they have to wait and hope the governor calls up the national Guard to protect them. Which doesn't happen or happen too late to save lives and businesses. But that doesn't matter. As its political and you use this to further your ends. Typical awful leftist that demands safety but denies it to others

For the third time, it's not my claim.

First, you have the constitution making it clear militias require regulation under the state. Initially this did not include the federal government, as slave-owning states were fearful of the implications of such a policy relating to slavery. Look up this James Madison guy. You might like him.

Then let's go to the state level with a couple particularly pertinent recent examples.


Here's is the Michigan Military Act of 1967. I don't expect any realization on your part about what might be happening in the nation that would provoke the creation of this act at that time.

Michigan is a state in which a militia led by a bunch of Jim-Bob Trumpers plotted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-of-1967.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0iqOU-tbbwRVRUapqcKQDv

Here is Virginia law. Virginia governor Ralph Northam, also a Democrat, who was also targeted by the group.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/section44-1/

Shut the fuck up.

 

[ElKarlo]

For the third time, it's not my claim.

First, you have the constitution making it clear militias require regulation under the state. Initially this did not include the federal government, as slave-owning states were fearful of the implications of such a policy relating to slavery. Look up this James Madison guy. You might like him.

Then let's go to the state level with a couple particularly pertinent recent examples.


Here's is the Michigan Military Act of 1967. I don't expect any realization on your part about what might be happening in the nation that would provoke the creation of this act at that time.

Michigan is a state in which a militia led by a bunch of Jim-Bob Trumpers plotted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi1lbn6_brsAhWKtp4KHXVsCGwQFjACegQIARAC&url=https://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(5rlkmidvmiunatvz1cty1ans))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-Act-150-of-1967.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0iqOU-tbbwRVRUapqcKQDv

Here is Virginia law. Virginia governor Ralph Northam, also a Democrat, who was also targeted by the group.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/section44-1/

Shut the fuck up.

Now it hasn't been enacted nor passed as a law. And again you won't answer my question about the safety of citizens of places where the governor won't call out the national Guard. It's amazing how you can't answer that question and it's embarrassing how you dodge it like a mom asking a kid where his report card is.

 

[58miles]

The media is basically treating hum like a special needs kid. The don't challenge him at all. Especially given his long record in politics.

And that host was completely biased and basically walked Biden to the finish line. MSM has shown they are part of the DNC and stopped even pretending to have integrity

Joe Biden is among other reasons is a sane reasonably well adjusted human being he doesn't need the msm to walk him to the finish line. From the this is the biggest scandal in the history of politics coverage of Hillary's email's and coverage of other Hillary Clinton "scandals" to letting Trump with little consequence get away with lies and scandals that would have doomed any other Presidential candidate it was the right wing propaganda machine along with the msm who not just walked but carried Trump to the finish line in 2016. Even then he just barely crossed the finish line.