Elections Trump Town Hall

[BFoe]

You're doing exactly that. You're trying to make this about the right, when it's the left that's being used as a weapon to destroy America.

Yuri specifically said basic American values, Americanism or American patriotism needs to be taught to students.

The Marxism and social justice ideologies must be challenged. Hopefully it will be Americans that decide and not half baked intellectuals.

Voter ID is taking people's rights and freedom away?

LGBTism was rejected by the world for a long time. The problem with LGBTism is that it doesn't stop and it's now fucking up children.

Got a link that says these places are being shut down because the right wing is trying to take freedom away?

One dumbass with a fraudulent ballot drop box?

Abortion is a cultural issue.

You're comparing this to taking people's rights (Guns, free speech) and ideologically subverting an entire nation.

I feel like we’re hitting a wall on this first point, and I don’t know if we’re going to get past it Here is what’s happening:
You: The left is awful! They do X, Y, and Z!
Me: Here are examples of the Right doing the same things.
You: That can’t be possible because it’s the left that’s awful!

Thats what’s happening in our conversation right now. You’re so adamant that Left=Bad and Right=Good, that you are embodying the same principles you claim to oppose (e.g. being completely indoctrinated by a concept in which there is no flexibility). If you take nothing else away from our dialogue, please give this some thought: when you start deciding who is good and who is evil, who has American values and who doesn’t, and who should be “purged” (I believe that was your word) and who shouldn’t, you are getting into very dangerous—and Un-American—territory.
If you don’t like or agree with abortion, that’s totally fine. But understand that it has been affirmed as a Constitutional right multiple times (Roe, Doe, PP v. Casey)—and when you seek to impose undue burdens on women to exercise that right—and this also goes for attempts to undercut gay marriage—you are no better than the people you are criticizing.

 

[Inquisitor]

I feel like we’re hitting a wall on this first point, and I don’t know if we’re going to get past it Here is what’s happening:
You: The left is awful! They do X, Y, and Z!
Me: Here are examples of the Right doing the same things.
You: That can’t be possible because it’s the left that’s awful!

Thats what’s happening in our conversation right now. You’re so adamant that Left=Bad and Right=Good, that you are embodying the same principles you claim to oppose (e.g. being completely indoctrinated by a concept in which there is no flexibility). If you take nothing else away from our dialogue, please give this some thought: when you start deciding who is good and who is evil, who has American values and who doesn’t, and who should be “purged” (I believe that was your word) and who shouldn’t, you are getting into very dangerous—and Un-American—territory.
If you don’t like or agree with abortion, that’s totally fine. But understand that it has been affirmed as a Constitutional right multiple times (Roe, Doe, PP v. Casey)—and when you seek to impose undue burdens on women to exercise that right—and this also goes for attempts to undercut gay marriage—you are no better than the people you are criticizing.

The Left is being used literally as a weapon to destroy America. Yuri explains how. It can be seen in other Western countries and it just confirms everything.

lol I said Marxism and social justice ideologies must be purged. Make America great again, return back to the time before the subversion hit the schools which was during the Vietnam war.

If you need help on deciding what American vales are read what the founding fathers and others said and wrote.

To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.

A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves... and include all men capable of bearing arms. - Richard Henry Lee

I really don't care about abortion but it's a cultural issue for a lot of people so there's going to be debate and votes.

 

[Caoimhin]

Communism creates the conditions where tyrants can remain in power or where one party dominates the political arena. The media, education etc is all controlled.

Name one communist policy currently being proposed on the National level?

And that's what it's all about. Control over the masses.

What is your view on Trump stating that he can only lose if the election is rigged?

That's classic authoritarianism, straight out of the Erdogan,Erdman, or Orban playbook

You still haven't shown that you can process all the information that proves communism is winning. You're a drone. The half baked intellectuals Yuri was talking about.

 

[Inquisitor]

@Caoimhin

Gun ban and buy back which is the most important.

He's probably right. The Dems are slimy as hell.

 

[Cuttyrock]

All this thread showed was the right wing people on here have the mentality of a 14 year old

 

[Damien Karras]

Oh jesus christ.

Have you Dumbocrat retards STILL not learned about polls ?

'Member when Hillarious had a 99% chance of beating Trump?

I 'member.

Keep believing your fake ass polls.

I'll thoroughly enjoy your sky screaming in 3 weeks.

How will you possibly cope for 4 more years of "orange man bad" as your President?

somehow the argument "polls had it wrong last time" is equivalent to "Trump is going to win this time again because Polls had it wrong last time like this time"

 

[Revolver]

lmao

 

[Seano]

I feel like we’re hitting a wall on this first point, and I don’t know if we’re going to get past it Here is what’s happening:
You: The left is awful! They do X, Y, and Z!
Me: Here are examples of the Right doing the same things.
You: That can’t be possible because it’s the left that’s awful!
.

Here's what happened.
Lets talk about this thing.
You: No, lets ignore that, and change the subect making it about you. Checkmate,.excuse me while I congratulate myself.

 

[guns&moses]

I can't wait until Trump wins again so it can be a giant fuck you to Pelosi and all them other pussies.

If he loses, you’ll blame anything and everything but Trump.

 

[BFoe]

Here's what happened.
Lets talk about this thing.
You: No, lets ignore that, and change the subect making it about you. Checkmate,.excuse me while I congratulate myself.

Untrue.
The entire point I’m making—and have been making since my first post to him—is that he is a hypocrite. He (and his hero Yuri) claims the left is brainwashed, dogmatic, and have to ability to change their minds when presented with facts or data. I am pointing out that he embodies the exact same ideals.
He claims that the left tramples certain rights; i dispute that, and point out the Constitutional rights that he tramples (or supports being trampled).
He seems to think that when I point out that he embodies many of the same ideals that he claims to oppose, that I am somehow deflecting by pointing out his hypocrisy.

 

[Inquisitor]

Untrue.
The entire point I’m making—and have been making since my first post to him—is that he is a hypocrite. He (and his hero Yuri) claims the left is brainwashed, dogmatic, and have to ability to change their minds when presented with facts or data. I am pointing out that he embodies the exact same ideals.
He claims that the left tramples certain rights; i dispute that, and point out the Constitutional rights that he tramples (or supports being trampled).
He seems to think that when I point out that he embodies many of the same ideals that he claims to oppose, that I am somehow deflecting by pointing out his hypocrisy.

Complete distortion of reality and you continue to deflect.

You mock Yuri... a KGB defector that risked his life to spill the beans.

You haven't pointed out that I am brainwashed by communist phycological warfare. I have proved that the left is.

You can't dispute "the left is taking people's God given rights away" because there's evidence that they are doing just that.

Abortion and gay marriage are cultural issues. Pretty much no one was onboard with that shit because of the culture. There's going to be debates and votes and now gay marriage is legal despite there still being disagreement. Not anything to go to war over.

I don't embody Marxism or social justice ideologies.

 

[BFoe]

The Left is being used literally as a weapon to destroy America. Yuri explains how. It can be seen in other Western countries and it just confirms everything.

lol I said Marxism and social justice ideologies must be purged. Make America great again, return back to the time before the subversion hit the schools which was during the Vietnam war.

If you need help on deciding what American vales are read what the founding fathers and others said and wrote.

To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.

A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves... and include all men capable of bearing arms. - Richard Henry Lee

I really don't care about abortion but it's a cultural issue for a lot of people so there's going to be debate and votes.

Before addressing your arms/militia points—lest I be accused of deflecting—I want to address what you say about values.
My point is that I don’t believe I have any issue at all deciding what American values are. You seem to feel that you can dictate what everyone’s values should be. I’m quite familiar with the Constitution, and what the Founding Fathers said. I am trying to get you to understand that you are speaking on one hand about how important the 1st Amendment is to you, and on the other about purging/exterminating ideas that you find objectionable. You appear to be oblivious to this.
I’m also familiar with Lee’s quote—and I submit to you that these militia groups are not “properly formed.” Since you keep mentioning them, let’s discuss. Recently, there was a thread about this and I discussed the Oath Keepers. This is a “militia” that has it in their minds they they defend the Constitution. When Kim Davis (county clerk who refused to issue gay marriage licenses) was getting walloped in court, they offered to be her “armed security detail.” And they do this under the auspices of defending the Constitution.
Who called up this “militia” in that instance (Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution)? Nobody. They were not called up by any constitutional means, and they certainly had no business inserting themselves into a court situation they didn’t agree with and threatening violence. We have a legal system in this country, and you don’t get to play soldier every time you don’t like a court ruling. These people are not patriots. They are dangerous. They are acting of their own accord, with no authority.
And yes, I feel the same way about ANTIFA. These groups are not the state militias of times past. They are the “unorganized militia” as described in 10 USC 246, and far from the “well regulated militia” described in the 2A or present in the country at the time of the ratification of the Constitution.
https://repository.jmls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1773&context=lawreview

 

[BFoe]

Complete distortion of reality and you continue to deflect.

You mock Yuri... a KGB defector that risked his life to spill the beans.

You haven't pointed out that I am brainwashed by communist phycological warfare. I have proved that the left is.

You can't dispute "the left is taking people's God given rights away" because there's evidence that they are doing just that.

Abortion and gay marriage are cultural issues. Pretty much no one was onboard with that shit because of the culture. There's going to be debates and votes and now gay marriage is legal despite there still being disagreement. Not anything to go to war over.

I don't embody Marxism or social justice ideologies.

I’m not mocking him, but I’m also not drinking up a swimming pool fool of his Kool Aid. He’s an interesting guy, but there are mountains of criticism about him as well.
You have not proved in any sense that “the left” are brainwashed. In fact, I’ve demonstrated that you possess the same qualities you criticize.
And I’ve also demonstrated examples of the right wing trampling on constitutional rights. Pick a “God given right” that you think we’re taking away, and we can discuss it.

 

[Inquisitor]

Before addressing your arms/militia points—lest I be accused of deflecting—I want to address what you say about values.
My point is that I don’t believe I have any issue at all deciding what American values are. You seem to feel that you can dictate what everyone’s values should be. I’m quite familiar with the Constitution, and what the Founding Fathers said. I am trying to get you to understand that you are speaking on one hand about how important the 1st Amendment is to you, and on the other about purging/exterminating ideas that you find objectionable. You appear to be oblivious to this.
I’m also familiar with Lee’s quote—and I submit to you that these militia groups are not “properly formed.” Since you keep mentioning them, let’s discuss. Recently, there was a thread about this and I discussed the Oath Keepers. This is a “militia” that has it in their minds they they defend the Constitution. When Kim Davis (county clerk who refused to issue gay marriage licenses) was getting walloped in court, they offered to be her “armed security detail.” And they do this under the auspices of defending the Constitution.
Who called up this “militia” in that instance (Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution)? Nobody. They were not called up by any constitutional means, and they certainly had no business inserting themselves into a court situation they didn’t agree with and threatening violence. We have a legal system in this country, and you don’t get to play soldier every time you don’t like a court ruling. These people are not patriots. They are dangerous. They are acting of their own accord, with no authority.
And yes, I feel the same way about ANTIFA. These groups are not the state militias of times past. They are the “unorganized militia” as described in 10 USC 246, and far from the “well regulated militia” described in the 2A or present in the country at the time of the ratification of the Constitution.
https://repository.jmls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1773&context=lawreview

Basic American values were being instilled before the communist subversion. It was natural and healthy. Every country was doing it.

You appear to be oblivious to the dangers of Marxism and communism. Social justice is communist psychological warfare. If you think those ideologies should be circulating through society's veins then you are badly subverted.

More deflection...

Security detail = threatening violence?

https://www.advocate.com/marriage-equality/2015/9/10/right-wing-militia-pledges-protect-kim-davis

The Oath Keepers posted a phone call online this week in which Rhodes and other members discussed plans to aid Davis. They said, as did the online statement, that the action was not motivated by her views on marriage equality, but that they believe U.S. District Judge David Bunning illegally exceeded his powers when he found her in contempt of court and had her jailed for failing to comply with his order to issue marriage licenses to all eligible couples in Rowan County, regardless of gender. She had ceased issuing any licenses shortly after the Supreme Court ruled for marriage equality, as she says her Christian beliefs prevent her from facilitating same-sex marriages.



ANTIFA are communist insurgents.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-8/clause-15-16/the-militia-clauses
The states as well as Congress may prescribe penalties for failure to obey the President’s call of the militia. They also have a concurrent power to aid the National Government by calls under their own authority, and in emergencies may use the militia to put down armed insurrection. The Federal Government may call out the militia in case of civil war; its authority to suppress rebellion is found in the power to suppress insurrection and to carry on war. The act of February 28, 1795, which delegated to the President the power to call out the militia, was held constitutional. A militiaman who refused to obey such a call was not “employed in the service of the United States so as to be subject to the article of war,” but was liable to be tried for disobedience of the act of 1795.

When half baked intellectuals occupy positions of power in the government and civil service... the people will take it upon themselves.

 

[ShadowRun]

Dude. Of course both were asked questions. That isn't up for debate here. The issue is the topic of said questions . . . or one being allowed to complete an answer and the other being continuously interrupted.

If you actually watched Guthrie and Trump you'd know that he threw no tantrums and provided calm answers . . . when he wasn't being interrupted.

Stop playing dumb.

Yea they said she interrupted trump like 25 times or so it was a lot.. I liked how when a audience asked a question he answered she had facts about the audience questions ready to go ... hmmm

 

[hillelslovak87]

By saying "at least", you are kinda admitting to everything I accused you of to be true.

Also, who are you kidding, you'd happily take a pegging if it meant physical contact with a girl. Alt-righties have been figured out a long time ago buddy = sexually frustrated, insecure "men" who blame their failure on feminism

These Trumpers are gonna feel so dumb when they finally look around at all the people from across the political spectrum, and across the world that looked at the alt right, Trump and the GOP in horror.

And then they'll realize they did the clown dance for 0 pussy.

 

[Inquisitor]

I’m not mocking him, but I’m also not drinking up a swimming pool fool of his Kool Aid. He’s an interesting guy, but there are mountains of criticism about him as well.
You have not proved in any sense that “the left” are brainwashed. In fact, I’ve demonstrated that you possess the same qualities you criticize.
And I’ve also demonstrated examples of the right wing trampling on constitutional rights. Pick a “God given right” that you think we’re taking away, and we can discuss it.

He's 100% correct and the evidence proves he's right.

Yes I have proved the left is brainwashed.

BLM admits they're well trained Marxists. Another founder is a fan of Maduro. Marxism is being taught in schools.



Social justice is seen all throughout the media because of the half baked intellectuals Yuri was talking about.

You have not demonstrated that I am ideologically subverted by communist psychological warfare.

The left is taking people's guns. Bans and buy backs are happening all over the world because of communism.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves

Venezuelans regret gun ban, 'a declaration of war against an unarmed population'

As Venezuela continues to crumble under the socialist dictatorship of President Nicolas Maduro, some are expressing words of warning – and resentment – against a six-year-old gun control bill that stripped citizens of their weapons.

“Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least able to put up a fight,” Javier Vanegas, 28, a Venezuelan teacher of English now exiled in Ecuador, told Fox News. “The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population.”

 

[JDragon]

I am curious if what I think is happening will be actually true. You cannot support trump or face all sorts of criticism in public, private, and work.

I am anticipating he gets a shocking number of the popular vote despite the negative press 24/7 even if he loses.

Which number would shock you?

42? 44?

 

[Culombo]

so far I'm aware of 3 rallies trump has/is holding today .. and from my understanding it's gonna be this way for the next 2 weeks up until the election .. he is going all in, blitzkrieg style, like last time .. he's gonna leave it all out there .. biden will not be able to match that kind of energy.. gonna be interesting

 

[Inquisitor]

Punch a Nazi, cradle a communist. Who killed more again?