Trump team idea to nationalize 5G network is rejected by FCC chariman Ajit Pai.

[FedorGOAT]

There are some of the benefits behind this idea.

1. Security Concern: Stopping Cybernetic espionage.

2. More Employment: Apparently creating an infrastructure for a 5G network throughout US would need tremendous amount of manpower.

3. Ample amount of bandwidth for masses: Your bandwidth wouldn't be capped like right now it is. It would be cheaper for masses & there would be no bandwidth snipping.

4. Remote areas would be hugely benefited because of this. Where due to the limit of scope for making profit, ISPs don't invest much for developing infrastructure. Therefore people from those area are deprived from having a stable connection. Even local PBS studios are struggling from lack of fund & infrastructure. they may get rejuvenated with this new initiative. They won't be directly benefited but if you believe in trickle down policy then yes there would some positive things for them in the near future.

Cons

You would be under government surveillance 24/7: Doesn't mean you aren't getting monitored by government agencies right now. Right now it is getting done in a subtle manner, but this time it will be more transparent.

Federal government probably don't have the required budget for the completion of this massive project.


So what did Ajit Pai said against this proposal

“Any federal effort to construct a nationalized 5G network would be a costly and counterproductive distraction from the policies we need to help the United States win the 5G future,”

Obviously AT&T, Verizon are opposing this initiative. But some of the companies like Juniper, Cisco & Qualcomm are quite thrilled behind this idea as the demand for equipment will be at all time high. There is a certain possibility that they will bring some manufacturing facilities back on US soils for establishing a trusted supply chain & also due to time constrain for fulfilling the orders. which means more employment.

 

[Quipling]

I don't think government surveillance is a given for public utilities.

Of course, neither is the other stuff, but that's a different flavor of speculation.

 

[HIMBOB]

Australia started rolling out vastly improved internet nation wide

A complete clusterfuck, Double budget, not yet complete, some speeds under a qusrtqu of intended.

Shitshow all round.

But luckily we elected it's architect as PM.....

 

[HIMBOB]

I don't think government surveillance is a given for public utilities.

Of course, neither is the other stuff, but that's a different flavor of speculation.

Government surveillance or same data for sale....

 

[FedorGOAT]

Australia started rolling out vastly improved internet nation wide

A complete clusterfuck, Double budget, not yet complete, some speeds under a qusrtqu of intended.

Shitshow all round.

But luckily we elected it's architect as PM.....

I would blame the half-assed execution more than the idea itself.

 

[HIMBOB]

I would blame the half-assed execution more than the idea itself.

Fibre to the home , Great,

fibre joined to shiity old copper, retarded.

 

[HIMBOB]

I would blame the half-assed execution more than the idea itself.

Further if we had a plan to go wireless to the node it would be sensible.

I'm honestly wondering if Turnbull is just Abbott level bad or worse.

 

[Fluffernutter]

The US is 3,796,742 square miles.

So, there's that.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Satellite internet is the future

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/05/04/spacex-internet-satellites-elon-musk.html

Elon Musk's SpaceX plans to send the first of its 4,425 super-fast internet satellites into space in 2019

 

[Bloodworth]

I don't trust anyone named ajit pai...

 

[Falsedawn]

Satellite internet is the future

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/05/04/spacex-internet-satellites-elon-musk.html

Elon Musk's SpaceX plans to send the first of its 4,425 super-fast internet satellites into space in 2019

Unless they can figure out that whole latency issue, no chance in hell.

 

[mike sherry]

Unless they can figure out that whole latency issue, no chance in hell.

that really only affects you when you have to use TCP versus UDP

 

[Falsedawn]

that really only affects you when you have to use TCP versus UDP

Like a VPN, which is kinda important. No tunneling protocol is using UDP because the security keys require state management. We don't even support satellite internet at my org directly because of that reason.

And even if you did want to be a sadist and use UDP, you're begging to have packet loss due to LOS requirements. One cloud rolls through and all of a sudden the EOY financials are fucked.

This is why there will always be a place for fixed broadband lines. Mobile internet isn't acceptable for all use cases, even personal use.

 

[spamking]

Personally, I'd prefer a massive roll-out of fiber across the country before I'd want the 5G network . . .

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I don't trust anyone named ajit pai...

That doesn't surprise me and it says alot about you.... none of it in the least bit good .

 

[HomerThompson]

Satellite internet is the future

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/05/04/spacex-internet-satellites-elon-musk.html

Elon Musk's SpaceX plans to send the first of its 4,425 super-fast internet satellites into space in 2019

2019!?!


But I can't wait that long!!!

 

[HomerThompson]

Like a VPN, which is kinda important. No tunneling protocol is using UDP because the security keys require state management. We don't even support satellite internet at my org directly because of that reason.

And even if you did want to be a sadist and use UDP, you're begging to have packet loss due to LOS requirements. One cloud rolls through and all of a sudden the EOY financials are fucked.

This is why there will always be a place for fixed broadband lines. Mobile internet isn't acceptable for all use cases, even personal use.

 

[Falsedawn]

Lol, fuck you Homer.

Satellite requires line of sight to transmit. Musk is trying to get around this with 4000 satellites, but there's still a tangible chance of failure. UDP is a stateless protocol, it transmits regardless of whether or not you get the packets (hence it being "immune" to latency). Interrupt that stream by breaking line of sight and you lose data.

This is why we use TCP (a stateful protocol) for something like VPN, which continually authenticates and transmits accordingly. Latency is a huge issue.

 

[mike sherry]

Like a VPN, which is kinda important. No tunneling protocol is using UDP because the security keys require state management. We don't even support satellite internet at my org directly because of that reason.

And even if you did want to be a sadist and use UDP, you're begging to have packet loss due to LOS requirements. One cloud rolls through and all of a sudden the EOY financials are fucked.

This is why there will always be a place for fixed broadband lines. Mobile internet isn't acceptable for all use cases, even personal use.

i realize the packet loses involved with UDP. That's the whole point of tcp..

None the less there are still plenty of uses for UDP that would be allowed over satellite internet. Latency measured in 600~ ms is not a big deal for VOIP. Of course you wouldnt send financial data over UDP, WOW what a strawman that is lol

Even with TCP, after the average latency can be measured it is quite simple to send packets staggered in a way so you are maximizing the available bandwidth.