Social Trump Going After Academic Autonomy

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Name one person shipped to another country for imprisonment in the last admin? How about years under Obama? How about the last 50 years.

You sound dense when you can’t see the difference between what the Trump regime is doing and every other admin.

Obama introduced drone strikes on American citizens without trial

 

[Hit-N-Run]

Obama introduced drone strikes on American citizens without trial

Yeah…. That’s your whataboutisum? Comparing air strikes on militant groups operating out of other countries to not only setting up the framework to but actually shipping people out of the country and Trump stating he wants to ship US citizens to be imprisoned in foreign prison camps.

Add on telling the judicial branch to kick rock and defy their decisions.

Yep…. Same thing

 

[terrapin]

Authoritarianism 101

Make an enemy for the stupid to date
Attack press
Empower the leader to an all powerful position
Attack free thought and leaning

If you can’t see what’s going on here you are a fool

I agree and it is very chilling man. its the worst case scenario with trump coming to fruition.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Yeah…. That’s your whataboutisum? Comparing air strikes on militant groups operating out of other countries to not only setting up the framework to but actually shipping people out of the country and Trump stating he wants to ship US citizens to be imprisoned in foreign prison camps.

Add on telling the judicial branch to kick rock and defy their decisions.

Yep…. Same thing

He brought up Obama.

 

[HereticBD]

Name one person shipped to another country for imprisonment in the last admin? How about years under Obama?

Obama? The guy that bombed a few US citizens? That Obama?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Yeah…. That’s your whataboutisum? Comparing air strikes on militant groups operating out of other countries to not only setting up the framework to but actually shipping people out of the country and Trump stating he wants to ship US citizens to be imprisoned in foreign prison camps.

Add on telling the judicial branch to kick rock and defy their decisions.

Yep…. Same thing

Yes, assassinating a US citizen isn't comparable to locking up an illegal alien.

 

[oldshadow]

They can do what they want as long as they don't want federal funds. There are private schools that do it all the time.

If they want federal funds then they have to follow the laws and rules.

Obama and Biden both use that to force compliance to their rules.

 

[Beechwood]

Todays article from Victor Davis Hanson further talks about "elite" schools and whether they should take government funds or not.

Do Elite Universities Really Wish to Fight the Federal Government?​

Elite universities push for federal funding while ignoring legal and ethical obligations, fueling public distrust as they prioritize ideology over academic rigor and free speech.

Do Elite Universities Really Wish to Fight the Federal Government? › American Greatness

Harvard has refused to accept the orders of a Trump administration commission concerning its chronic problems with anti-Semitism, campus violence, and racial tribalism, bias, and segregation. Yet…

amgreatness.com

 

[panamaican]

Todays article from Victor Davis Hanson further talks about "elite" schools and whether they should take government funds or not.

Do Elite Universities Really Wish to Fight the Federal Government?​

Elite universities push for federal funding while ignoring legal and ethical obligations, fueling public distrust as they prioritize ideology over academic rigor and free speech.

Do Elite Universities Really Wish to Fight the Federal Government? › American Greatness

Harvard has refused to accept the orders of a Trump administration commission concerning its chronic problems with anti-Semitism, campus violence, and racial tribalism, bias, and segregation. Yet…

amgreatness.com

It's an idiotic position.

Funding for research has nothing to do with what students say on campus, what universities choose to teach, etc. And funding for research is what is being blocked here. This is like saying that a doctor shouldn't get paid for treating your illness because his secretary has a political opinion that the government disagrees with.

Tying the 2 together is the opposite of protecting free speech.

If people don't support what these universities teach or what the other students believe, they can simply not attend. But it has no bearing on whether or not research into medical or technological or social field warrants funding. If the research doesn't warrant funding, don't fund it. But to use the funding for random research projects as a weapon to control the speech of 3rd parties is just tyrannical.

 

[Tatra]

And you actually believe that people if asked think that all people have identical abilities across the board?

That's what the left means when they say 'we're all equal'. So you really are going act like they don't say that. Fucking priceless.

You actually think that the majority of people who identify as left wing think that human beings evince no differences in, say, perceptual capacities: that there is no difference in cognitive traits between someone who is blind and someone who is not? Or between someone who has alzheimer's and someone who does not? Or that differences in education, race, gender, do not reflect differences of opportunity that translate to differences in cognitive performance?

Don't ask me that, ask the left. They're the ones who say it.

You actually think people are that stupid, but the truth is you are the one who has to create a caricature and strawman to argue against some cartoon version of what you think "the left" means.

Gaslighting doesn't work on me son, sorry. I am simply quoting the left. Their entire identity is 'we're all equal'.

 

[krelianx]

That's what the left means when they say 'we're all equal'. So you really are going act like they don't say that. Fucking priceless.



Don't ask me that, ask the left. They're the ones who say it.



Gaslighting doesn't work on me son, sorry. I am simply quoting the left. Their entire identity is 'we're all equal'.

"The left" is an abstraction, there are only people on the left. And that includes philosophers, activists, the civil population, politicians, and institutions. These change in time and don't agree in every view.

But not a single author or political figure of the left has ever argued anything as exorbitantly stupid as "there are no differences between human beings."

The point is that the many differences between human beings, such as class, race, religion, gender do not imply a difference in dignity, and thus should not to generate inequality in opportunities or rights. This is why recognizing diversity is not contradictory with affirming equality.

That's what everyone, from Marx, to de Beauvior, to Luther King, to Mariátegui, to Bernie, means by equality.

Marx claims class difference ought to be abolished. Feminists that inequalities of opportunity and power based on gender ought to be overcome. Bernie that the oligarchic structure of governance generated massive inequalities of wealth and access to basic services like health care. And so on.

This is so obvious that the fact I have to spell it out to you is really shocking to me. That you are so outlandishly stupid to assume people are even stupider than you shows you live in a fantasy world. That you thought it was clever to bring this up is actually pathetic.

Read a fucking book, it's embarrassing for a functional adult to show this level of ignorance.

 

[Tatra]

"The left" is an abstraction, there are only people on the left. And that includes philosophers, activists, the civil population, politicians, and institutions. These change in time and don't agree in every view.

But not a single author or political figure of the left has ever argued anything as exorbitantly stupid as "there are no differences between human beings."

The point is that the many differences between human beings, such as class, race, religion, gender do not imply a difference in dignity, and thus should not to generate inequality in opportunities or rights. This is why recognizing diversity is not contradictory with affirming equality.

That's what everyone, from Marx, to de Beauvior, to Luther King, to Mariátegui, to Bernie, means by equality.

Marx claims class difference ought to be abolished. Feminists that inequalities of opportunity and power based on gender ought to be overcome. Bernie that the oligarchic structure of governance generated massive inequalities of wealth and access to basic services like health care. And so on.

This is so obvious that the fact I have to spell it out to you is really shocking to me. That you are so outlandishly stupid to assume people are even stupider than you shows you live in a fantasy world. That you thought it was clever to bring this up is actually pathetic.

Read a fucking book, it's embarrassing for a functional adult to show this level of ignorance.

Still talking about Marx, eh? lmao

I am quoting the left. They say 'we're all equal'. They're saying we all have equal abilities when they say that.

 

[krelianx]

Still talking about Marx, eh? lmao

I am quoting the left. They say 'we're all equal'. They're saying we all have equal abilities when they say that.

Please, never reproduce. Make humanity great again.

 

[jefferz]

Obama? The guy that bombed a few US citizens? That Obama?

I'm sure you were just as upset when 8-year-old Nawar al-Awlaki, Anwar's daughter, was killed in the raid on Yakia during Trump's first term.

 

[krelianx]

It's an idiotic position.

Funding for research has nothing to do with what students say on campus, what universities choose to teach, etc. And funding for research is what is being blocked here. This is like saying that a doctor shouldn't get paid for treating your illness because his secretary has a political opinion that the government disagrees with.

Tying the 2 together is the opposite of protecting free speech.

If people don't support what these universities teach or what the other students believe, they can simply not attend. But it has no bearing on whether or not research into medical or technological or social field warrants funding. If the research doesn't warrant funding, don't fund it. But to use the funding for random research projects as a weapon to control the speech of 3rd parties is just tyrannical.

The level of stupidity on display here is truly astonishing.

I should have known better before trying to talk politics in Sherdog, so...

 

[deviake]

Obama introduced drone strikes on American citizens without trial

Yeah…. That’s your whataboutisum? Comparing air strikes on militant groups operating out of other countries to not only setting up the framework to but actually shipping people out of the country and Trump stating he wants to ship US citizens to be imprisoned in foreign prison camps.

Add on telling the judicial branch to kick rock and defy their decisions.

Yep…. Same thing

He is correct. Obama's admin opened that door, which is scary. The Trump regime didn't materialize from another dimension, years of neoliberal policy including from Democrats got us to this point and has enabled him. He's terrible, but he doesn't exist in a vacuum.

 

[ermac88]

Aka: the academic class living off government handouts is now desperate to find useful work

Good god.

You truly epitomize anti-intellectualism


Its clear why trump appeals to you so much.

 

[ermac88]

He is correct. Obama's admin opened that door, which is scary. The Trump regime didn't materialize from another dimension, years of neoliberal policy including from Democrats got us to this point and has enabled him. He's terrible, but he doesn't exist in a vacuum.

First drone strikes were with Bush in 2004.

At the begining of a 20 year conflict.
We have to be careful to not pretend conservatives were not fully in support of US aggression in the middle east

 

[deviake]

First drone strikes were with Bush in 2004.

At the begining of a 20 year conflict.
We have to be careful to not pretend conservatives were not fully in support of US aggression in the middle east

100%. They were. I don't want to come across as whitewashing conservatives nor equivocating the two, but I can't overlook the Democrat's complicity.

As far as I'm aware the Obama admin was the first to drone strike American citizens.

 

[cabal]

What happening if the students would meeting in secret ?