Trayvon Martin Vs. Kyle Rittenhouse -- What's the Difference?

[superpunch]

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[brother mouzone]

Wasn't there the whole thing with a fake girlfriend or something too?

I don't know about that. I was only referring to rachel jeantel i believe her name was. Wouldn't be surprised if trayvon was all like 'nah, she was never my girl..not like that...' if he was still alive

 

[grimballer]

Both Zimmerman and Kyle acted in self defence

the difference is kyles self defence is on video and is pretty obvious

With Zimmerman you can still question what really happen

 

[kenetics]

I'm of the opinion that anyone who thinks George Zimmerman was in the right is a big old piece of shit, and he is guilty of murder.

I'm of the opinion that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

I think these two positions are logically consistent. And I'm curious how anyone could side with both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse. That, to me, isn't consistent.

Rittenhouse felt his life was in danger, and given the context in which he was being chased --- a riot (where lawlessness is established) -- and his brandishing of a weapon, I think his intuitions were justified. He had a right to act in self-defense with lethal force.

And Trayvon's case is no different. He was being pursued, and given the context, his intuition that his life was in danger was justified. He had a right to act in self-defense with lethal force. In other words, it was in his right to physically try to incapacitate George Zimmerman.


Also this relevant tweet of Ben Shapiro's basically invalidates anything he's ever said:

Shapiro ... Lmao

 

[Overtures]

Trayvon attacked a man who wasn't harming him in any way.

This is the problem when you are the type of person who strikes first when the situation doesn't call for it, eventually you meet your match and pay the ultimate price.

He attacked a man who was chasing him. He initially ran from Zimmerman. And Zimmerman kept pursuing him. Trayvon tried to remove himself from the situation. When Zimmerman approached him, he was justified in attacking him with non lethal force.

This is similar to how we get to Rittenhouse's intuition that his life was in danger: he was being pursued while brandishing a lethal weapon, an indication that his pursuer felt reaching him was worth risking his own life and thus had ill-intent. In Trayvon's case, he attempted to remove himself from the situation, and Zimmerman chased him, an indication that Zimmerman had ill-intent.

It was fight or flight, and he had already tried fleeing. At that point, he was justified in defending himself physically while Zimmerman's right to self-defense was rendered void by virtue of him being the instigator of the situation.

This is how judgement of he event ought to be, both from a moral and legal perspective.

 

[High Altitude]

He attacked a man who was chasing him. He initially ran from Zimmerman. And Zimmerman kept pursuing him. Trayvon tried to remove himself from the situation. When Zimmerman approached him, he was justified in attacking him with non lethal force.

This is similar to how we get to Rittenhouse's intuition that his life was in danger: he was being pursued while brandishing a lethal weapon, an indication that his pursuer felt reaching him was worth risking his own life and thus had ill-intent. In Trayvon's case, he attempted to remove himself from the situation, and Zimmerman chased him, an indication that Zimmerman had ill-intent.

It was fight or flight, and he had already tried fleeing. At that point, he was justified in defending himself physically while Zimmerman's right to self-defense was rendered void by virtue of him being the instigator of the situation.

This is how judgement of he event ought to be, both from a moral and legal perspective.

If someone is just following you, and not doing anything more than that, your life is not in danger.

Zimmerman was not breaking the law.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

Both were good old fashioned self defense.

How was George Zimmerman self defense? Who was the one following who there? Pretty sure that was George who was doing the following and Trayvon felt threaten. Isnt that the premise of Kyle as well? He was being followed and felt threaten?

 

[tonni]

Zimmerman is a bigger piece of shit imo, the guy was absolutely thrilled to have shot someone. He's a busy body with a gun looking for a kill. All these vigilante types look fat too.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

Go away.

he is right. George was doing the following and then once he got his ass handed to him he had to resort to the self defense card.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

Trayvon attacked a man who wasn't harming him in any way.

This is the problem when you are the type of person who strikes first when the situation doesn't call for it, eventually you meet your match and pay the ultimate price.

He felt threaten by a man following him. Thats the problem

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Lmao at these leftist dishonest cowards continuing to double down in their hated of Rittenhouse....even after all of the video footage...

And lol at this desperate attempt to equate him with George fucking Zimmerman.
You people aren't interested in facts

 

[High Altitude]

He felt threaten by a man following him. Thats the problem

Trayvon made the wrong choice in how he responded to the situation. He over reacted, and what he did was unlawful, what Zimmerman did was not against the law.

I am not saying what Zimmerman did was the smart thing to do. I think the guy is an absolute piece of shit, but he wasn't breaking the law. It really is as simple as that. Trayvon over reacted, screwed up, and escalated the situation with the wrong person.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

He attacked a man who was chasing him. He initially ran from Zimmerman. And Zimmerman kept pursuing him. Trayvon tried to remove himself from the situation. When Zimmerman approached him, he was justified in attacking him with non lethal force.

This is similar to how we get to Rittenhouse's intuition that his life was in danger: he was being pursued while brandishing a lethal weapon, an indication that his pursuer felt reaching him was worth risking his own life and thus had ill-intent. In Trayvon's case, he attempted to remove himself from the situation, and Zimmerman chased him, an indication that Zimmerman had ill-intent.

It was fight or flight, and he had already tried fleeing. At that point, he was justified in defending himself physically while Zimmerman's right to self-defense was rendered void by virtue of him being the instigator of the situation.

This is how judgement of he event ought to be, both from a moral and legal perspective.

Rittenhouse did not have ill intent, he was defending a business ffs.

We.have video fucking footage of him being pursued and attacked.

Is that not good enough for you?

 

[Overtures]

Rittenhouse did not have ill intent, he was defending a business ffs.

We.have video fucking footage of him being pursued and attacked.

Is that not good enough for you?

Re read

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Re read

I must be missing the Crux of your argument. What are you attempting to convey here?

 

[Clifford_Harris]

I must be missing the Crux of your argument. What are you attempting to convey here?

He's saying that two teenagers were being stalked/followed by adult men and they ended up trying to defend themselves from the adult following them. One was armed and used his weapon, the other happened to have been unarmed and used his fists.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

Trayvon made the wrong choice in how he responded to the situation. He over reacted, and what he did was unlawful, what Zimmerman did was not against the law.

I am not saying what Zimmerman did was the smart thing to do. I think the guy is an absolute piece of shit, but he wasn't breaking the law. It really is as simple as that. Trayvon over reacted, screwed up, and escalated the situation with the wrong person.

It is night time and you see someone following you, you try to run away from him but cant get he is following you and youre telling me you wont feel threaten? And this dude also had a gun? Come on dude, Trayvon felt threaten by this guy and felt the need to defend himself. Also the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to following trayvon when she/he asked whether he was following him when he was running and George said yes. How was Trayvon not suppose to feel threaten by this clown?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Re read

He's saying that two teenagers were being stalked/followed by adult men and they ended up trying to defend themselves from the adult following them. One was armed and used his weapon, the other happened to have been unarmed and used his fists.

My apologies @Overtures .

I may have jumped the gun here...had too many beverages

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

My apologies @Overtures .

I may have jumped the gun here...had too many beverages

Had a few too many Honest kids berry berry good lemonade or vanilla pediasure drinks?

 

[ElKarlo]

Video evidence

Yeah, the TM situation is much more murky and you can out it together, but not to the detail that Rittenhouse can be