Training Methods you think are useless

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What are some training methods that are often used but you think are unhelpful or useless?

I used to think if a world class athlete does something, it must be because it's good, but as the adage goes: elite athletes become world class not because of their training, but in spite of it.

I'm a believer that we fight how we train and specificity is very important, and sometimes training methods just make things harder without considering what it's actually supposed to achieve.

For me an example of this is shadow boxing with weights, either with dumbbells or vests, which I seem to see quite often at all levels. When you're shadow boxing, you're practicing fighting, and when you're fighting, you want to be fast and explosive, but with weights you will be slowed down and I think this will actually condition your body to be slower. The idea is that the resistance will make things harder, but making something harder for the sake of it won't always be applicable to the sport you're doing.

If you're doing resistance training for strength or power, you should be doing exercises that specifically train those things that don't affect your actual fight training imo. You could do squats for example when you're strength training to supplement your overall game, but randomly adding in squats between rounds of sparring or whatever would make no sense because you're exerting energy that could used for skill training. Unless of course the sport you're competing in has you do squats.

Another example of making something harder for the sake of it is when Floyd Sr. made Hatton do roadwork in combat boots. What was the point of that? Why would you want your athlete to run in footwear that provides less cushion for his joints? Is he going to fight in the ring with combat boots? I developed plantar fasciitis from my time in the army so that made me wince.
 
People have done silly things forever and they will continue to do so. Because the "best" do it that way it means it is correct.
 

Yeah if you watch his full workout it’s training, but it’s also clearly a liss training session.
Shadowboxing with weights like that is very tiring and burns your shoulders. Especially if you’ve been hitting pads, the bag, and a big fat dude wearing a body shield for 30 minutes already.

He basically rotates through those things and the jumprope at the end I think.
 
And to answer your question ts, there’s not much exercises or training I see that the top level fighters are doing that I believe are completely useless or unhelpful. A lot of things have their place for certain people at certain stages of their career. I’ve cycled through a lot of different types of training throughout my career and it’s helped me in various ways.

The only one would be everything Tony Ferguson does, but I really don’t consider him a top level athlete.
Also Jon jones and Ryan Garcia partying… but I doubt that counts as exercise
 
What are some training methods that are often used but you think are unhelpful or useless?

I used to think if a world class athlete does something, it must be because it's good, but as the adage goes: elite athletes become world class not because of their training, but in spite of it.

I'm a believer that we fight how we train and specificity is very important, and sometimes training methods just make things harder without considering what it's actually supposed to achieve.

For me an example of this is shadow boxing with weights, either with dumbbells or vests, which I seem to see quite often at all levels. When you're shadow boxing, you're practicing fighting, and when you're fighting, you want to be fast and explosive, but with weights you will be slowed down and I think this will actually condition your body to be slower. The idea is that the resistance will make things harder, but making something harder for the sake of it won't always be applicable to the sport you're doing.

If you're doing resistance training for strength or power, you should be doing exercises that specifically train those things that don't affect your actual fight training imo. You could do squats for example when you're strength training to supplement your overall game, but randomly adding in squats between rounds of sparring or whatever would make no sense because you're exerting energy that could used for skill training. Unless of course the sport you're competing in has you do squats.

Another example of making something harder for the sake of it is when Floyd Sr. made Hatton do roadwork in combat boots. What was the point of that? Why would you want your athlete to run in footwear that provides less cushion for his joints? Is he going to fight in the ring with combat boots? I developed plantar fasciitis from my time in the army so that made me wince.
Are you the guy who used to post who traveled a lot and flirted with baristas?
 
Keep in mind a lot of stuff you see pro guys doing on media is for sponsorship or marketing

My coach back in day was in dan henderson training camp in team quest for rampage jackson. You know what hendersons training was 90 percent of time ? Sparring and drilling.

Ufc countdown crew came in and asked dan to do some rope swings which he did for 1 minute after practise for camera and went home lol
 
Training masks, waist trainers, sauna suits outside of weight cuts, ankle weights for footwork,
good points. Also weight vest for running or boxing training , velcro weights for hands for running.

The Fabia clip is disturbing as it clearly shows an abuser with a mentally handicapped person being completely lost. Fabia is a dangerous manipulator.
 

I think it's useless. Floyd also cranks out 100s of pushups with half ROM. I'm sure Floyd would've still been Floyd if he didn't do those things, but in the grand scheme of things, it would probably wouldn't have affected him much. His actual boxing skill is what matters and doing some weighted shadow boxing isn't what made him so good. Maybe it trained his conditioning? But there are better ways to train for conditioning.
good points. Also weight vest for running or boxing training , velcro weights for hands for running.
Agreed. Also useless. Golden age boxers didn't have any of that and they went to war for 15 rounds. We have modern fighters who gas out in 12 round fights despite all these fancy new tools.
 
Bag work as anything but conditioning/busywork.

I think you can get away more out of pad work and specific sparring.

Same goes for 100% sparring. You only have so many big shots you can take in your life. You shouldn't be burning them regularly in sparring sessions.
 
Training masks,
Wearing a mask in training can definitely help. It's exactly like training at altitude; your body is forced to get more efficient at oxygen intake and processing. When you can get enough oxygen to fight while breathing through a sopping wet mask, imagine how much oxygen you're taking in once that mask comes off.

I'm always surprised that more fighters don't train at elevation for sea level fights. It's a free advantage they're just giving away.
 
Wearing a mask in training can definitely help. It's exactly like training at altitude; your body is forced to get more efficient at oxygen intake and processing. When you can get enough oxygen to fight while breathing through a sopping wet mask, imagine how much oxygen you're taking in once that mask comes off.

I'm always surprised that more fighters don't train at elevation for sea level fights. It's a free advantage they're just giving away.
I’ve yet to read a conclusive scientific study stating elevation masks work as claimed.
 
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